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Eventine

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Overbom said:
Non interference in internal matters is all good and well until you realise you leave the field open for the US to do its thing unopposed.

This election outcome is a Win for the US
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The problem is, when it comes to influencing democratic countries, the West drags you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Asking an authoritarian state like China to out influence the West in democracies is like asking Muslims to out influence the Pope in a Catholic country. It's not going to happen.

This is one reason the US spends any effort to promote democracy around the world. Adopt their system, and they automatically get a huge bonus check in influence. This is why Russia could never influence Ukraine to stay on its side; and why China can't do it with Taiwan, either.

Like it or not, liberal democracy and Western influence are joined at the hip.
 
BlackWindMnt

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Eventine said:
The problem is, when it comes to influencing democratic countries, the West drags you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Asking an authoritarian state like China to out influence the West in democracies is like asking Muslims to out influence the Pope in a Catholic country. It's not going to happen.

This is one reason the US spends any effort to promote democracy around the world. Adopt their system, and they automatically get a +100 bonus check in influence. This is why Russia could never influence Ukraine to stay on its side; and why China can't do it with Taiwan, either.

Admit it or not, but liberal democracy and the Westernization are joined at the hip. You can't have one without the other.
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If the pro western governments factions act difficult then replace the big carrot with a big stick. And give someone else the carrot like Indonesia.

ASEAN is in what feels like a post ww2 Europe who will become the France, Germany and Italy of south east Asia. The rest will just become like the Baltics big mouths small economies.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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sndef888 said:
Sad day for Thai politics. Another country falls to Hong Kong style "youth led" subversion
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Meanwhile, the 'youth' back home:

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FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

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Eventine said:
The problem is, when it comes to influencing democratic countries, the West drags you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Asking an authoritarian state like China to out influence the West in democracies is like asking Muslims to out influence the Pope in a Catholic country. It's not going to happen.

This is one reason the US spends any effort to promote democracy around the world. Adopt their system, and they automatically get a huge bonus check in influence. This is why Russia could never influence Ukraine to stay on its side; and why China can't do it with Taiwan, either.

Like it or not, liberal democracy and Western influence are joined at the hip.
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Iran and Pakistan are, de jure, capitalist democracies.
 
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ZeEa5KPul

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Rafi said:
The Thai military will stop too much mucking about, same with the Pak Military they are guard rails for keeping the cucks under control
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Exactly. Congratulations to the liberal democrats for winning control of the post office, but the serious decisions will be made by the generals. One of two things happens going forward:
1) The election winner understands this and plays ball, or
2) He doesn't, in which case the corruption charges get pulled out of the drawer.
 
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A potato

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KampfAlwin said:
Lmao, the US embassy in my home country is literally a purpose-built fortress, as if they're afraid of the locals attacking them. Do you know what China uses as their embassy in my home country? A bog standard neighbourhood house that they got from someone lol
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Where are you from?
 
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emblem21

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xypher said:
They will cry that the elections were rigged as always when their candidate does not win.
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Looks like these blood US funded coup bullcrap isn’t quite as game changing as it once was. May all of these US funded candidates burn in everlasting hell, one for being literally traitors to their nation (now Erdogan is not a good guy but if he chose to round up all these US state sponsor terrorist unit and had then given the ultimate penalty, that in itself would be a boon for humanity) and two for being willing to lead the nation on a war path against Russia when Russia didn’t do them any real wrong, at least compared to the USA. And finally, for thinking Turkey is too stupid not to realise what is going on because well, John Bolton has mad it clear what he intends to do to the nation. Now if only he was in Turkey and the b@st@rd is detained and given the ultimate penalty, I would laugh like hyena cause that guy deserves the absolute worse. I literally built his life in causing instability and attempt at modern day slavery and he ought to be put away for good on the day he finally gets caught, or live on to see all his life work amount to nothing while his nation goes to hell, either way, that man will eventually puss out like a b!tch
 
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taxiya

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Dark Father said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1657811420095078400

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sndef888 said:
Sad day for Thai politics. Another country falls to Hong Kong style "youth led" subversion
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It is far from certain. The Thai election isn't like any European parlimanterian one where the biggest winner get to "appoint" the Prime Minister. See the following from CNN.

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Who gets to pick the PM?​

The head of the biggest party may not necessarily lead Thailand, or even form a government, because the country’s electoral system is heavily weighted in favor of the conservative establishment.

Parties winning more than 25 seats can nominate their candidate for prime minister. Those candidates will be put to a vote, with the whole 750-seat bicameral legislature voting.

To be prime minister, a candidate must have a majority in both houses – or at least 375 votes.

However, the 250-seat member Senate is likely to play a key role in deciding the next government of Thailand and, because it is chosen entirely by the military, it will likely vote for a pro-military party.

That means an opposition party or coalition need almost three times as many votes in the lower house as a military party to be able to elect the next leader.

Observers say that early results would be expected at midnight in Bangkok – but it could be weeks or even months until Thailand sees a new prime minister.
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In Thailand, it is the congress and senate to vote for the PM. The 250 seats senate is controlled by the Military. For any party who is not approved by the military, it has to gain a very large chunck in the congress to get PM. Right now, the two oppositions are neck to neck, if this is the final result, they would need the the approval from the military making the military being the winner even if its own voting result is bad. Since the "moving forward" want a more radical change in removing military's political role, I highly doubt the military would appoint their candidate without "moving forward" to give up lots of their promise. If "moving forward" does roll back their promise, they will soon be abandoned by their own voting base.

In the end, the establishment still have a big say short of a revolution. So I won't compare this "moving forward" with Hong Kong. What happened in Hong Kong is that Hong Kong government did not have the gun to eliminate the subverters from day one. Beijing has the gun but was restrained by the two system policy untill things really went bad. Thailand's establishment does not have such restraint and is going to act right now in the process.
 
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