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BoraTas said:
Regardless of what happens going forward, two things are certain for Turkey:

1- Various forms of nationalism collectively dominate Turkish politics. Explicitly nationalist parties got a total vote of 25%. There are a lot of nationalists voting for major parties AKP and CHP too. So we are talking about one-third of the country. Turkey's default political alignment becoming nationalism instead of religious conservativism. This is both a risk and an opportunity for China. Turkey will engage Central Asia more going forward but these nationalist groups are overwhelmingly Eurosceptic and anti-American.

2- The country is looking at an economic disaster soon. Some countries may try to get influence by bailing (partially or not) Turkey out.
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What happened to the left wing candidate in Turkey who was pro-China and anti-western?

I witnessed some of the Turkish ultranationalists when I was in Istanbul there a few years ago. Not a nice bunch. It seems like Turkey has adopted the worst of European and Middle Eastern culture.
 
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xypher said:
They will cry that the elections were rigged as always when their candidate does not win.
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Türkiye opposition claims vote count ‘manipulations’​

The leader of the Republican People's Party (CHP), Kemal Kilicdaroglu, has urged the national election body to act “responsibly” and hurry up with releasing the vote results, claiming that President Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development (AK) Party keeps objecting to the inevitable.

“My dear nation, they are blocking the system with repeated objections at ballots where we have higher votes,” Kilicdaroglu told reporters at his party headquarters in Ankara on Sunday night.

“You cannot prevent what will happen through objections. We will not allow a fait accompli,” he added, according to Al Jazeera.

Erdogan's AK party in turn accused the rival of “an attempt to assassinate the national will,” with spokesperson Omer Celik calling the opposition claims “irresponsible.”

The outsider candidate Sinan Ogan also chipped in with claims that his camp has “heard that some manipulations are carried out in the overseas vote counting processes.”

“We will not allow a fait accompli with a manipulation of foreign votes. Do not stress the environment. This is up to the second round,” Ogan tweeted.
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I don't think the new regime in Thailand will change much. These days, in most countries a political party being labelled "anti-China" means they will keep relations as they are (at great expense to the US/EU taxpayer). Every other political party will want to improve relations with China.

Remember Bolsonaro in Brazil? He was supposed to be a neocon zionist Brazilian who campaigned on China to be a hostile regime and wanted closer ties to America. When in power he actually improved relations with China and Russia, and even called Zelensky a clown.
 
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Abominable said:
What happened to the left wing candidate in Turkey who was pro-China and anti-western?

I witnessed some of the Turkish ultranationalists when I was in Istanbul there a few years ago. Not a nice bunch. It seems like Turkey has adopted the worst of European and Middle Eastern culture.
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That guy never had any votes over 0.2%. He is a clown in general and IMO his image of China is leftover from the communist viewpoints of the 1970s. I am not going to praise him just because he is a commie (which I am not either).

Turkey is not doing well in general. I don't think there is a competent and "normal" political group. Mild secular nationalists look the best. For example Sinan Ogan, the third candidate who got 5%, is a nationalist. He was once asked about the Uyghur genocide, which is a common discussion topic among nationalist groups. He said it was exaggerated. Green flag... I am kinda glad he got 5%. He will play the kingmaker in the runoff.
 
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The G7 (NATO + Japan) define what ''economic coercion'' is (a term exclusively applied to the PRC by Anglophone media and think tank industrial complex) when beating back at Australia and Lithuania for their hostile behaviour but them sanctioning countries to death is benign export control laws and defending the rules based liberal world order. We have a problem that big political narratives in this world are dominated by 10% of the world population (like Indo-Pacific and economic coercion) and we tend to ape them in their narratives instead of thinking for ourselves. Another example: Nazi Germany is very bad and the rest were very good. But when you think without the strings attached to us by the historical narratives of the West we should applaud Nazi Germany. I mean the British Empire was much worse for non-whites but instead there are still medals given out in it's name. And so fort and so fort.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1657155847984652290
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The term is intellectual slave, a term from back in the day, but not widely used anymore.

That is all they are, the people who repeat Western narratives, and cannot see through the bs, because either they are dumb or just an intellectual slave.

Mao Zedong had no use for intellectuals.

Today, China has no use for intellectual slaves.

Every country has it own right to development based on its historical experience, and China is willing to engage on an equal and win-win basis.

For those assholes like Biden, Blinken, and Sullivan, it is all about upholding their national narcissism.

:D
 
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Abominable said:
I don't think the new regime in Thailand will change much. These days, in most countries a political party being labelled "anti-China" means they will keep relations as they are (at great expense to the US/EU taxpayer). Every other political party will want to improve relations with China.

Remember Bolsonaro in Brazil? He was supposed to be a neocon zionist Brazilian who campaigned on China to be a hostile regime and wanted closer ties to America. When in power he actually improved relations with China and Russia, and even called Zelensky a clown.
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Don't be so sure about them, knowing these peoples. I wouldn't be surprise if they gonna pulling stunt like official visit to Taiwan or openly condemn China on Xinjiang.

Might as well say goodbye to high-speed railway or BRICS membership. Not to mention high possibility of US military base return to Thailand. They want to cut military spending and probably invite US in because "national security" reasons.

I just hope, military will be able to keep these f_cker in check and not allow them to going overboard and start another civil war in Thailand.
 
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The opposition are retards. Erdogan's main voter base is in the interior of the country and theirs is in the main cities. It is perfectly normal that it takes less time to count votes in jurisdictions with less people. It is much easier to mechanically count and check the votes in the interior since there are less voters in the first place. It only takes two neurons to figure that one out. There is no conspiracy to commit voter fraud in that.

Abominable said:
Remember Bolsonaro in Brazil? He was supposed to be a neocon zionist Brazilian who campaigned on China to be a hostile regime and wanted closer ties to America. When in power he actually improved relations with China and Russia, and even called Zelensky a clown.
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Bolsonaro was in the pocket of the Brazilian farming lobby. They need China as a customer, and could use cheap Russian fertilizer. That is the only reason he was not hostile to both. When he was in power they got rid of the Mi-35 helicopters they had for example.
 
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