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That must be why CGTN has 2.3 million subscribers while Greyzone has 137k and Max Blumenthal has less than 8k.
CGTN subscriber count has grown impressively over the past couple of years. Whatever you think of them, they must be doing something right.
That's comparing apples to oranges
CGTN is a global network employing thousands of people on a giant budget. They release more youtube videos in 2 weeks than The Grayzone has released in 5 years. Of course CGTN will naturally have more subscribers.
it's illogical to point to the subscribers and call it a success. That's like saying, China has a big trade surplus. Therefore, Chinese brands are highly valued. Italy has a much lower trade surplus than China. Therefore, Italian brands are inferior.
In this area, success is better measured by gains/losses in public opinion and changes in behavior, which are the goals of Western psychological warfare. Ever since Western propagandists unleashed a full assault, China's global image has taken a nose dive. Numerous members on here have pointed to growing anti Chinese sentiment in places with heavy Islamic influence like Malaysia and Indonesia.
This cavalier attitude is a primary obstacle that prevents improvement of Chinese media. It's akin to pointing out a bunch of basic errors made by a student. The student replies, "I passed with 53% so I must be doing something right."
I already explained that this is not about the dominance of media. That is a factor, but it's irrelevant to my main point: Chinese media communicates extremely poorly. Even if China had the world's biggest media networks and everyone watched them. They would still often lose because they fail at communication.
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Look at my examples again. I don't recommend China to lie. I recommend them to tell the truth without downplaying anything.
The Chinese media tend to downplay too much.
I'll give you some examples of typical Chinese media failures.
Example 1
Chinese media: America intervened in Syria
Truth: America tried to overthrow the Syrian government by training and arming terrorists.
Difference: China makes it sound like the situation is "nuanced" because they "intervened" when it's just American terrorism by proxy. Intervened is an euphemism invented by American propagandists to downplay their crimes. Regurgitating enemy propaganda is a crystal clear sign of total incompetence. China does this regularly.
Example 2
Chinese media: There was unrest in Hong Kong due to hostile foreign forces
Truth: America and Britain waged decades of psychological warfare to radicalize Hong Kong residents against the Chinese mainland and the Chinese government.
Difference: Chinese media appears to be scapegoating others for its own failures. In reality, they are the victim of Western subversion but they don't spell this out so people don't know.
Do you see how enormous the difference in reporting is? Chinese media consistently makes the guilty party look relatively innocent or "making mistakes", "having a misunderstanding", or "wanted to help". I generally don't learn the truth from Chinese media until I do my own research or read western anti imperialist news. Chinese media is so bad at their jobs that I need to read white people denouncing other white criminals. There's absolutely no excuse for this level of incompetence.
You contradicted yourself in the text above. Diplomacy and media are intimately linked. When media is weak, the diplomat's job becomes much harder.
Both Chinese media and Chinese diplomats are atrocious communicators. There are a handful of CGTN reporters who do a decent job like Wang Guan, but they are the exception to the rule.
Have you seen China's Ambassador to the United States, Cui Tianka, speak? He does the typical Chinese thing which is pointless rambling with a thick accent droning on about "win win cooperation shared future for humanity" nonsense while allowing Western propaganda to go unchallenged. The us China relationship is the most crucial to China and this is the best they came up with. Logically, that means many other Chinese diplomat are even more incompetent at communication than him, who is already profoundly bad at communication.
I'll give you another example of how stupid these people are. In reference to Australia's aggression towards China, some Chinese diplomat said something like "Australia is the gum on our shoe". I saw stupid Chinese people cheering this on and calling him a "manly hero". That comment makes China look like a arrogant condescending jerk. It doesn't make China look like the victim of Australian aggression and atrocity propaganda. China appears guilty of whatever accusations Australia invents.
You're arguing in bad faith. Pointing out flaws to fix is not the same as desiring to overthrow a government.
This is just tantamount to giving up. China is different from the West yet we learned their language, eat their foods, mastered their science, learned their classical music, ride in cars, and made our own satellite system but we need to stop at mastering psychological warfare to protect ourselves?
Amatuer hour again
I wrote a lot but for those wanting to get a high level overview of what China does wrong...
First major flaw is the cultural mindset is heavily focused on saving face for their enemies. This is extremely counter productive because you don't talk about Western crimes and Western imperialists look innocent. And, they can portray you as the aggressor with their first mover advantage.
Example 1
China does not talk about the Western propaganda in schools and churches and fake ngos to radicalize children and youth into fanatic separatists. When these radicals terrorize the population, the Western media can portray this as "freedom fighters against the evil CCP.
Example 2
China does not talk about the Western propaganda and funding and training Tibetan terrorists. When these radicals terrorize the population, the Western media can portray this as "freedom fighters against the evil CCP.
Example 3
China does not talk about the Western propaganda and funding and training Uyghur terrorists in Xinjiang. When these radicals terrorize the population, the Western media can portray this as "freedom fighters against the evil CCP.
Example 4
China does not talk about the virulent and systemic anti Asian hate in Western nations. So, you loose millions of talented and wealthy people to the West and need to bribe them with the 1000 talents programs.
Second major flaw is they are almost always reactive instead of proactive. In psychological warfare, attack and being first and setting the first impression is super important. The attacker and first mover are hugely advantage. The defender is at an extreme disadvantage.
Third major flaw is they don't attack the weak spots of their enemies, namely, the West has no credibility at all. it's just the illusion of credibility. Perceived credibility of the propagandist is central to their power. Take that away and their power goes away.
There are so many other problems but I'll stop here.
First major flaw is the cultural mindset is heavily focused on saving face for their enemies. This is extremely counter productive because you don't talk about Western crimes and Western imperialists look innocent. And, they can portray you as the aggressor with their first mover advantage.
Example 1
China does not talk about the Western propaganda in schools and churches and fake ngos to radicalize children and youth into fanatic separatists. When these radicals terrorize the population, the Western media can portray this as "freedom fighters against the evil CCP.
Example 2
China does not talk about the Western propaganda and funding and training Tibetan terrorists. When these radicals terrorize the population, the Western media can portray this as "freedom fighters against the evil CCP.
Example 3
China does not talk about the Western propaganda and funding and training Uyghur terrorists in Xinjiang. When these radicals terrorize the population, the Western media can portray this as "freedom fighters against the evil CCP.
Example 4
China does not talk about the virulent and systemic anti Asian hate in Western nations. So, you loose millions of talented and wealthy people to the West and need to bribe them with the 1000 talents programs.
Second major flaw is they are almost always reactive instead of proactive. In psychological warfare, attack and being first and setting the first impression is super important. The attacker and first mover are hugely advantage. The defender is at an extreme disadvantage.
Third major flaw is they don't attack the weak spots of their enemies, namely, the West has no credibility at all. it's just the illusion of credibility. Perceived credibility of the propagandist is central to their power. Take that away and their power goes away.
There are so many other problems but I'll stop here.