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Searchable database of the so far released Epstein communications, including emails and dms. Of interest to this forum might be filtering for "China" or "Xi Jinping" etc. I personally perused some of the communciations on these topics and found a few things from 2018/2019:
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Another finding i forgot to include:

7. Epstein and a redacted individual(s) discussed a potential meeting with an american billionaire (and alleged rapist/pedo by Virginia Guiffre) Thomas Pritzker, Pritzker is characterized as having deep ties in China, and Epstein claims he sold out to China. The redacted individual then claims that in "there is no space between their positions on China" i.e. Pritzker is also looking for ways to destroy the party's leadership somehow, or views that favorably. Epstein also mentions hearing that some party members want Pritzker's head.

Those are the most interesting things i've found in the small amount which has been made public so far, naturally its mainly focused on destroying Trump's reputation.

I was heartened to see that Epstein and pals seem to be totally out of their depth discussing this, and additionally they seem to really lack any connections to top leadership of the CPC. Epstein characterizes the CPC as peasants and Xi Jinping as uneducated (interesting, i wonder if JD Vance and him had discussions on China) and is generally super dismissive of them (only briefly praising them when compared with Trump lol).
 
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Anyone else think this is a strategic blunder for the US in the long term? China can use this as cover to accelerate their nuclear arsenal size even faster with the excuse of more potential or threshold nuclear threats within the intermediate range now.
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China would be foolish to allow SK to get nukes. Which means it needs to do to SK what US did to Iran. Warn to stop, if they don't stop then sanction, if they don't stop then Bomb.
 
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Operation Southern Spear, Maria Corina Machado jumps with joy in her secret lair..
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Defense Secretary has announced,
Operation Southern Spear,
Maria Corina Machado jumps for joy,
From her secret lair.

Time to mobilize, she declares.
Guerrillas to march, have no fear.
Will Trump stab her in the back?
The answer to that, seems clear!

:confused::D
 
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AssassinsMace said:
Epstein had blackmail material against Western politicians. He had none on the Chinese. That’s why he hates China.
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That doesn't come across in the communications, it may be true but I think he just had a very parochial dislike of China based on copius MSM consumption (nearly every hit for China in the database is just MSM articles he read). I don't think I'd even say he hated China, he just comes across as a chauvinist and frankly, extremely greedy and vain.
 
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I think you are broadly on the right lines, but missing one fundamental paradigm shift. You still think full scale conflict could be avoided, whereas I think it’s now inevitable.

Western arrogance and pathology basically guarantee it. The Dutch response is sadly typical that even after you have demonstrated your utter and complete dominance over them, they will just not quit unless and until you actually do obliterate them in combat.

China seems to agree, as it’s taking actual concrete steps to prepare for all our war instead of just to prevent it. The only key question now is timing.

I think China wants to delay the conflict for at least 5 years more, time enough to complete their current military modernisation plans and also get key next gen platforms operational deployed in meaningful numbers.

But the west also sees that the longer term trends are not in their favour, so you have elements within the west that are actively pushing for war asap. The Dutch move, everything the European Commission does that is related to China, Japan’s return to fascism etc. It’s all part of the same accelerating trend of preparing western populations for war against China. They want to paint China as the source of all of the west’s woes, so the people will by themselves conclude that they need war with China to turn their economies and lives around. As such, I think it’s probably unrealistic to expect China to be able to delay this conflict for longer than 10 years.

This mis-match in time scales is why there are such contrasting and reversed official reactions by the Chinese and Dutch sides over the Nexperia issue. The Dutch are unrepentant and literally saying they will do it all again while China is the one going out of its way to save the EU from the consequences of its own actions. This is because China is walking a very tight balancing act. Respond too lightly and it risks open season on its overseas assets where every western nation thinks they can revert to their true piratical selves and steal what they can grab for no real consequence. But respond too harshly and it could trigger a new Great Depression and mass unemployment in the west and hasten the western populace opinion shaping exercise to prepare for total war against China.

China wants to de-industrialise the west, including the EU. But slowly, not all at once unless and until it wants to basically go to war immediately, since war is a very likely outcome of the kind of economic devastation the Dutch seem hell bent on triggering.
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Let’s see if the USA has until the end of the year to get this fight of there’s going given how all these screw ups (including these Epstein file releases) is really piling up. I don’t believe the U.S. has much time to unite the nation against China because if their economy falls apart with the dollar and stock market crashing and all these policies of ending the snap benefits and Medicare takes affect, the USA can kiss any opportunity to start a fight with China good big because they will have a civil war to deal with and that will ruin any chances of a fight with China further.To start an all out war with China, it’s going to take years to even plan such an arrangement along with prying Russia loose from China along with having a mass stockpile of weapons, of with they fail all three. If they got cold feet from starting a fight with Venezuela, any full on fight with China is impossible.

You assume that the USA has fully prepared for a fight with China, I see a nation desperate for a way out of there current predicament and them throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. I don’t think an all out fight is possible under trump, it can only happen if the USA focusses it full might against China right now with a strong supply chain with China having minimal time to prepare. That opportunity I believe has long since past ever since the USA has focussed it full attention on Ukraine (along with Israel). What a stupid costly mistake that was
 
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AssassinsMace said:
Epstein had blackmail material against Western politicians. He had none on the Chinese. That’s why he hates China.
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sanctionsevader said:
That doesn't come across in the communications, it may be true but I think he just had a very parochial dislike of China based on copius MSM consumption (nearly every hit for China in the database is just MSM articles he read). I don't think I'd even say he hated China, he just comes across as a chauvinist and frankly, extremely greedy and vain.
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It’s also possible that the anti corruption campaign didn’t just scoop up corrupt officials and spies, but also compromised Chinese elites and party members who had dealings with with Epstein and his associates. Jack ma and Zhao Wei come to mind.
 
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It’s also possible that the anti corruption campaign didn’t just scoop up corrupt officials and spies, but also compromised Chinese elites and party members who had dealings with with Epstein and his associates. Jack ma and Zhao Wei come to mind.
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He and another redacted joke about Ma going into retirement in a different chat log incidentally, they make passing mention of having people they trust in the government but nothing particularly substatial in terms of evidence. Keep in mind this is all 2018-2019 so it predates a lot of house-cleaning.

Again my impression is Epstein was very vain and had a very big head (figuratively and literally) so probably was prone to imagining his importance to "breaking China" was much higher than it actually was.

Deepest link i've found is his friendly correspondences with Robert Kuhn, who is a very intriguing and suspicious figure close to the party (ostebsibly a very pro CPC intellectual). But again I haven't seen any evidence that they discussed Chinese internal politics and not clear Kuhn shares his views (if so he does a very good job hiding that).

Mostly i'm disappointed by how limited this disclosure is, actual chat logs are drowned out by copius articles, books and other shit these people shared. Still it's worth checking out if you want a peek behind the screen into the sleazy backend of the imperial machine.
 
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