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Africablack

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China has never forced anyone to cooperate with it. Thank you for your evaluation of China's integrity. Then I would like to know who the arrogant person you are talking about is?
Nobody is talking about "force" here, I'm certainly not. I said developing countries have a choice on who they work with (ie: conduct business with). Nobody has to do business with anybody. Who are the countries that just approved certification for COMAC jets? All developing countries like Indonesia, Myanmar, Nigeria, etc. They don't have to but they do for various reasons, I know Nigeria is close to approving certification due to lobbying from the Chinese, it doesn't have to but it does. These countries will help COMAC earn revenue that it will be re-invested in expansion, R&D, etc. After which you'll get folks arrogantly looking down on others.
 

Puss in Boots

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The truth is that Africans don't give a crap about "equality" per se, just dignity. You're allowed to do business (even if it's unfair and we know it's unfair) but as long as you treat folks with dignity, transact and leave then it's all good. Nobody wants someone else interfering in their internal affairs. The problem with these so called great powers is that they grow and get arrogant and start to believe the world revolves around them, after which they collapse and start blaming everybody but themselves. If the Qing rulers weren't so dismissive of the Brits and handled things with a bit more poise (never mind who was right or wrong) then they wouldn't have angered them and gotten their ass kicked sparking a century of humiliation. Moral of the story: no matter how powerful you think you are, the world doesn't revolve around you. If the Chinese, the Americans or whoever are so mighty they're free to stop doing business with the global south and develop on their own. North Korea is a guide. Africans are the only people that can transition to basic living fairly quickly.
Before you cited the history of the Opium Wars, I thought you had a reasonable understanding. Was China retaliated against because it angered Britain? Oh my goodness, that's what Western history teaches!
Let me play the role of a history teacher and give you a brief account of the Opium Wars. Initially, China was a relatively closed agricultural civilization, but it consistently provided tea, silk, and porcelain to foreign countries, earning silver. To maintain a trade balance, Britain relied on opium to earn silver. The Qing Dynasty, realizing the harm of opium, chose to ban the trade. This is how you claim the Qing Dynasty angered the British!
China deserved to be beaten to a pulp. China's lack of sustained progress and its relentless isolation led to its backwardness in modern times. China's decline was inevitable! This is completely different from what you're saying.
So, do you think Africa could fare better in today's society by isolating itself like the Qing Dynasty? North Korea's success or failure depends entirely on the support of Russia and China. People like you should stop analyzing geopolitics; it's too difficult for you!
 

Puss in Boots

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Nobody is talking about "force" here, I'm certainly not. I said developing countries have a choice on who they work with (ie: conduct business with). Nobody has to do business with anybody. Who are the countries that just approved certification for COMAC jets? All developing countries like Indonesia, Myanmar, Nigeria, etc. They don't have to but they do for various reasons, I know Nigeria is close to approving certification due to lobbying from the Chinese, it doesn't have to but it does. These countries will help COMAC earn revenue that it will be re-invested in expansion, R&D, etc. After which you'll get folks arrogantly looking down on others.
Take a good look at what you're trying to say in this post.
Although there's no evidence, is it true that the deal with China was forced or lobbied?
You always assume the utmost malice about China. Even if China built a hospital in Africa today, you'd say it's nefarious! If the United States built a military base here, you'd say it's to maintain peace!
For people like you, I recommend reading a Xinhua News Agency report on cultural colonization. You're a perfect example of what it says.
 

Africablack

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Before you cited the history of the Opium Wars, I thought you had a reasonable understanding. Was China retaliated against because it angered Britain? Oh my goodness, that's what Western history teaches!
Let me play the role of a history teacher and give you a brief account of the Opium Wars. Initially, China was a relatively closed agricultural civilization, but it consistently provided tea, silk, and porcelain to foreign countries, earning silver. To maintain a trade balance, Britain relied on opium to earn silver. The Qing Dynasty, realizing the harm of opium, chose to ban the trade. This is how you claim the Qing Dynasty angered the British!
China deserved to be beaten to a pulp. China's lack of sustained progress and its relentless isolation led to its backwardness in modern times. China's decline was inevitable! This is completely different from what you're saying.
So, do you think Africa could fare better in today's society by isolating itself like the Qing Dynasty? North Korea's success or failure depends entirely on the support of Russia and China. People like you should stop analyzing geopolitics; it's too difficult for you!
Let me ask you a question: what were the British exporting to the world at the time? It wasn't just opium. That's should tell you everything you need to know.

Let me ask another question: Why did the Chinese close themselves off and why did they think they didn't need the world?

Africa is large with different people and customs so your question is a bit difficult for me to answer but it can transition to simple life quickly if need be. Threatening to not do business is not the end of the world.
 

enroger

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After which you'll get folks arrogantly looking down on others.

Why would you assume so? Have you seen China's government or Chinese citizens expressed such sentiment to Africans? If so please provide evidence.

You keep avoiding the fact that China has legitimate grievance with Japan, new and old grievance. You refuse to engage on that fact and keep avoiding it. Do you have the courage to respond to it?

Not only do you lack the intellectual honesty to deal with the facts. You try to conflate China's issue with Japan and generalize it to an issue with the world at large? Pray tell, what grievance does China has with Africa like China has with Japan? You should know the answer if you are not so busy trying to push your agenda pretending that you represent the global south, talk about arrogance
 

Ringsword

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The japanese emperor was and is an unpunished war criminal. What are you talking about? The emperor personally authorized the 731 army, which did live experiments on chinese, Korean and Russian civilians
Also in many books-published some years ago/now out of print but I have them - Hirohito was consulted many times about operations and grew angry when the IJA general staff couldn't give him victory over China in 4 years-with the likes of Marshal Sugiyama promising victory in 3 months and when Singapore was overrun ,Hirohito personally renamed it,"Shonan"-southern-light and many of the most vicious/brutal/genocidal campaigns in China in particular were given his royal assent/approvalBTWwhen Japan SURRENDERED-not "benevolently stopping the fighting by his majesty"the japanese government spent a month ,before the USA.allies landed in japan proper,burning all classified/general IJA/IJN/kempetai/other gov't files not only to hide their monumental war crimes but to hide Hirohito's/royal family's full/direct involvement in this brutal,genocidal war.
 

Puss in Boots

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Let me ask you a question: what were the British exporting to the world at the time? It wasn't just opium. That's should tell you everything you need to know.

Let me ask another question: Why did the Chinese close themselves off and why did they think they didn't need the world?

Africa is large with different people and customs so your question is a bit difficult for me to answer but it can transition to simple life quickly if need be. Threatening to not do business is not the end of the world.
From today's perspective, Britain's largest export to the world at the time was probably cannonballs fired from its artillery!
Spurred by the Industrial Revolution, Britain's textile industry rapidly developed, making it its largest export at the time. However, China didn't need this. As an agricultural nation, China was fully self-sufficient, so without pursuing productivity growth, it could choose to isolate itself.
Whether or not to trade was Africa's choice; China didn't place cannons on Africa to force them to trade.
 

Africablack

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Take a good look at what you're trying to say in this post.
Although there's no evidence, is it true that the deal with China was forced or lobbied?
You always assume the utmost malice about China. Even if China built a hospital in Africa today, you'd say it's nefarious! If the United States built a military base here, you'd say it's to maintain peace!
For people like you, I recommend reading a Xinhua News Agency report on cultural colonization. You're a perfect example of what it says.
You're free to read up all my posts and see the complimentary things I've said about China. I've learned that people can get emotional. You're the one talking about heavyweights and light weights and how some people think they're equal when they aren't, being dismissive. It's the same stereotypes I hear a lot of other Asians say about the Chinese whom I've defended btw. I said well then the super duper powers are free to develop on their own since they are so high and mighty they don't need anyone else! I said no matter how big you think you are you need the world, unless you want to go it alone like North Korea. I gave an example of COMAC planes being bought by the same folks you're looking down on and how their purchase is going to help grow COMAC into a world leading aero company challenging Airbus and Boeing. You don't have to believe me, that's fine but I know the things that the Chinese have been lobbying the Nigerian government for and those are 1) for Chinese banks to set up in Nigeria and 2) for COMAC to get certification.
 

Puss in Boots

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You're free to read up all my posts and see the complimentary things I've said about China. I've learned that people can get emotional. You're the one talking about heavyweights and light weights and how some people think they're equal when they aren't, being dismissive. It's the same stereotypes I hear a lot of other Asians say about the Chinese whom I've defended btw. I said well then the super duper powers are free to develop on their own since they are so high and mighty they don't need anyone else! I said no matter how big you think you are you need the world, unless you want to go it alone like North Korea. I gave an example of COMAC planes being bought by the same folks you're looking down on and how their purchase is going to help grow COMAC into a world leading aero company challenging Airbus and Boeing. You don't have to believe me, that's fine but I know the things that the Chinese have been lobbying the Nigerian government for and those are 1) for Chinese banks to set up in Nigeria and 2) for COMAC to get certification.
I haven't seen any positive portrayal of China in your comments; they're always malicious speculation.
Before discussing these issues, I need you to understand the difference between "fairness" and "equality"!
Let me repeat: North Korea isn't acting alone as you imagine. This is something anyone with even a modicum of geopolitical common sense should know!
Why do you always think COMAC's entry into the competition is a conspiracy? Is it natural for Nigeria to only use Boeing and Airbus aircraft?
Isn't China's entry into the competition, breaking the monopoly, a good thing for consumers? Why do you always feel that only China benefits while other countries don't?
Is it true that China can only truly help African countries develop if it provides free support without receiving any benefits?
 

Ringsword

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Are the Japanese trying to colonize China again?
Yes they are ,a remnant of the Treaty of Shimonoseki which Japan wants to still retain ,occurred after the First Sino-Japnese War,ceding the then tributary state of Chosen/Korea and the island province of Taiwan/Formosa,among other massive indemnities of land/treasure(taels of gold/silver)
 
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