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Puss in Boots

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Africablack said:
You're free to read up all my posts and see the complimentary things I've said about China. I've learned that people can get emotional. You're the one talking about heavyweights and light weights and how some people think they're equal when they aren't, being dismissive. It's the same stereotypes I hear a lot of other Asians say about the Chinese whom I've defended btw. I said well then the super duper powers are free to develop on their own since they are so high and mighty they don't need anyone else! I said no matter how big you think you are you need the world, unless you want to go it alone like North Korea. I gave an example of COMAC planes being bought by the same folks you're looking down on and how their purchase is going to help grow COMAC into a world leading aero company challenging Airbus and Boeing. You don't have to believe me, that's fine but I know the things that the Chinese have been lobbying the Nigerian government for and those are 1) for Chinese banks to set up in Nigeria and 2) for COMAC to get certification.
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I haven't seen any positive portrayal of China in your comments; they're always malicious speculation.
Before discussing these issues, I need you to understand the difference between "fairness" and "equality"!
Let me repeat: North Korea isn't acting alone as you imagine. This is something anyone with even a modicum of geopolitical common sense should know!
Why do you always think COMAC's entry into the competition is a conspiracy? Is it natural for Nigeria to only use Boeing and Airbus aircraft?
Isn't China's entry into the competition, breaking the monopoly, a good thing for consumers? Why do you always feel that only China benefits while other countries don't?
Is it true that China can only truly help African countries develop if it provides free support without receiving any benefits?
 
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Africablack said:
Are the Japanese trying to colonize China again?
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Yes they are ,a remnant of the Treaty of Shimonoseki which Japan wants to still retain ,occurred after the First Sino-Japnese War,ceding the then tributary state of Chosen/Korea and the island province of Taiwan/Formosa,among other massive indemnities of land/treasure(taels of gold/silver)
 
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dingyibvs said:
If the underlying causes are not fundamentally dismantled then it could certainly happen again. It's only been 80 years since the end of WWII, a lot can change in another 80. The northern nomads didn't invade China every century, but some semblance of permanence of peace has only been achieve with the assimilation of the cultures during the Qing dynasty. Now it's been relative peace for some 200 years, with no end in sight.

Now with that said, two important points need to be made. First is that Japan does not historically have a habit of invading China repeatedly, neither does China have of Japan. As such, I don't believe assimilation is necessary to achieve peace between the two. It's more like China and Korea, coexistence is possible.

Second, I disagree with the other posters here that the Japanese imperial institution needs to be removed. Sure, the emperor played a role in the invasion of China, but I don't believe it's the key underlying cause. I believe that the Japanese belief of superiority, to the point that atrocities committed against China and the rest of Asia is inconsequential such as the atrocities I committed against the ants in my backyard, is a fundamental underlying cause that has not been completely dismantled. It's OK to feel superior, many countries' nationals feel that way, but how it's channeled is very important. People feel superior to bugs, and for that reason some people ignore them, while some people crush them for fun. It's the latter way to channel that feeling of superiority that needs to be avoided.
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Respectfully I do disagree about Japan not periodically invading China- japan does ,always at China's weakest(interdynastic decay/fragmentation)-the Japanese will ALWAYS attack whether it's small scale attacks like raiding/plundering China's coastal areas to large scale attempts to carve out/subjugate huge ares like 1895-1945(Manchuria) even as far back as the Imjin wars in Korea where Hideyoshi wanted not merely Korea but all of Ming China-now not ever and FAFOand "die" not Dai Nippon
 
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dingyibvs said:
FuNow with that said, two important points need to be made. First is that Japan does not historically have a habit of invading China repeatedly, neither does China have of Japan.
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In the 1590s, Japan invaded mainland Asia during the Imjin wars. They lost.
In the 1930s, Japan invaded mainland Asia again and managed to do far more damage.

Fundamentally, Japan wants to expand off their overpopulated, resource-poor and disaster-prone islands. They are able to maintain sight of this goal for centuries.
China sits on some of the best land in East Asia. It has to be prepared to defend it constantly.
 
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Puss in Boots said:
From today's perspective, Britain's largest export to the world at the time was probably cannonballs fired from its artillery!
Spurred by the Industrial Revolution, Britain's textile industry rapidly developed, making it its largest export at the time. However, China didn't need this. As an agricultural nation, China was fully self-sufficient, so without pursuing productivity growth, it could choose to isolate itself.
Whether or not to trade was Africa's choice; China didn't place cannons on Africa to force them to trade.
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Puss in Boots said:
I haven't seen any positive portrayal of China in your comments; they're always malicious speculation.
Before discussing these issues, I need you to understand the difference between "fairness" and "equality"!
Let me repeat: North Korea isn't acting alone as you imagine. This is something anyone with even a modicum of geopolitical common sense should know!
Why do you always think COMAC's entry into the competition is a conspiracy? Is it natural for Nigeria to only use Boeing and Airbus aircraft?
Isn't China's entry into the competition, breaking the monopoly, a good thing for consumers? Why do you always feel that only China benefits while other countries don't?
Is it true that China can only truly help African countries develop if it provides free support without receiving any benefits?
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My goodness. You're just going to believe whatever you want to believe, as they say: the eyes of the beholder will see what it wants.

There is no "malicious speculation" in anything I say, I'm upfront with my comments, I say what I say. You're free to check my history on this forum and read my comments on China (not what you selectively want to see) and make up your mind.

I used North Korea as an example of your great power countries who get arrogant and look down on others as if they don't need them. I said they are free to become North Korea if they wish and try to grow on their own. The problem is that you folks are emotional and are taking things way too literally. It goes back to my point of seeing whatever you want. The point isn't about North Korea, the point is that the your great powerness (not a word, I know) comes from doing business with the world, most of which comes from the developing countries. Stay focused.

Nigeria, Indonesia, etc don't have to do business with COMAC. It's a fledgling airline that has zero track record unlike it's competitors. This means it doesn't have enough experienced pilots who understand its systems and hasn't been around long enough to build a safety record. It can only offer cheaper purchases. By certifying them to fly in their air spaces governments of these countries are taking a risk and willing to use their citizens as guinea pigs on a new airline, when they can retreat to the comfort of familiarity and safety by purchasing tested competitors like Airbus and Embraer, yet we're willing to give COMAC a chance , these are the folks you're looking down on!
 
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N00813 said:
In the 1590s, Japan invaded mainland Asia during the Imjin wars. They lost.
In the 1930s, Japan invaded mainland Asia again and managed to do far more damage.

Fundamentally, Japan wants to expand off their overpopulated, resource-poor and disaster-prone islands. They are able to maintain sight of this goal for centuries.
China sits on some of the best land in East Asia. It has to be prepared to defend it constantly.
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Here's another thing to consider.

Did Japan just not invade China as much because they didn't want to. Or is it because they couldn't?

The way Japan invades is through boats. In the past they only got wooden boats that used wind and rowers. By the WW2 state they got steel boats with huge engines and large cannons. Like the distance they need to travel is the same but the speed and feasibility they can do it is way different. The UK was once just a crappy island with bad weather in Europe. Yet thanks to boat technology it became the british empire and through its navy, it could do things previously not possible. Don't you find it a coincidence that both Japan and UK were both kinda nobodies until advancement in ship tech?

Today, I can literally to go to Xiamen, get on a speedboat and go to Taiwan in less than 4 hours assuming I had some special pass that lets me in without interruption. So imagine how easy and fast it is to get from Japan to China with modern military tech.

I mean aside from the fact the Qing was good at eliminating the Mongol threat, another reason Mongols aren't a threat anymore is coz of tech. A high performance electric scooter you can get on Taobao can run faster than a horse and doesn't get tired.

Things are very different from back then. When you have means, your motivation changes a lot.
 
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Puss in Boots

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Africablack said:
My goodness. You're just going to believe whatever you want to believe, as they say: the eyes of the beholder will see what it wants.

There is no "malicious speculation" in anything I say, I'm upfront with my comments, I say what I say. You're free to check my history on this forum and read my comments on China (not what you selectively want to see) and make up your mind.

I used North Korea as an example of your great power countries who get arrogant and look down on others as if they don't need them. I said they are free to become North Korea if they wish and try to grow on their own. The problem is that you folks are emotional and are taking things way too literally. It goes back to my point of seeing whatever you want. The point isn't about North Korea, the point is that the your great powerness (not a word, I know) comes from doing business with the world, most of which comes from the developing countries. Stay focused.

Nigeria, Indonesia, etc don't have to do business with COMAC. It's a fledgling airline that has zero track record unlike it's competitors. This means it doesn't have enough experienced pilots who understand its systems and hasn't been around long enough to build a safety record. It can only offer cheaper purchases. By certifying them to fly in their air spaces governments of these countries are taking a risk and willing to use their citizens as guinea pigs on a new airline, when they can retreat to the comfort of familiarity and safety by purchasing tested competitors like Airbus and Embraer, yet we're willing to give COMAC a chance , these are the folks you're looking down on!
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COMAC received the order, and Nigeria and Indonesia received affordable aircraft. What's wrong with that? Isn't that how normal trade should be? Of course, you can choose not to receive these aircraft. Why act like you're doing China a favor?
Fair trade benefits both sides. Don't always think that buying Chinese goods is what makes China strong. Your thinking is just like Trump's! Isn't it suspicious that a Third World country thinks the same way as a world hegemon? Have you ever suspected that your thinking has been influenced in some way?
You always want equality. China has given underdeveloped African countries a zero-tariff policy. Why don't African countries give zero-tariffs to China? You still don't understand what "fairness" means!
 
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According to Kyodo News on October 5, the US military stationed in South Korea is trying to expand its mission scope from defending North Korea to "deterring China", but South Korea is geographically close and has close economic ties. South Korea strongly believes that the US military's move has triggered unnecessary misunderstandings and rebounds.
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BYD is doing quite well in the UK indeed.
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Chinese car making giant BYD says the UK has become its biggest market outside China, after its sales there surged by 880% in September compared to a year earlier.

The company says it sold 11,271 cars in the UK last month, with the plug-in hybrid version of its Seal U sports utility vehicle (SUV) accounting for the majority of those sales.
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