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plawolf

plawolf

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PeoplesPoster said:
This has been a requirement for all high rise building with underground garages since forever, at least early 2000s. Can call it a holdover from cold war days, think its similar in South Korea.
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
By the way, if you don't mind, could you please elaborate further more on this?

Regarding Beijing, I do recall about the underground tunnel and bunker networks beneath the city that were built during the 1960s and 1970s, i.e. during the height of Sino-Soviet confrontation. The Mao administration was actively preparing the city for potential nuclear attacks and invasion by the Soviet Union (which thankfully never materialize). Many of those original bunker and tunnels have long been turned over for civilian use.

However, seeing you suggesting that various other Chinese cities across China are also preparing for doomsday (especially in recent years instead of being part of the Third Front Project) is pretty surprising, ngl.

Anyone else here who knows more about this, feel free to chip in as well!
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While is is true that the requirements are nothing new, what struck me the most was the stark difference in application.

The application of these design requirements went from token box ticking exercises to extremely serious in the last few years especially, and from purely anecdotal observations, it looks to me like the preparations are systematic across the country rather than focused to specific cities like Beijing previously.

A lot of this is hard to measure and observe, as few foreigners will be going to the underground parking garages of random Chinese residential blocks, and since I was travelling with a foreign passport holder, it was actually eye opening to see how few hotels would accept foreign guests and how defensive the staff got at the mere approach of a foreigner (we just wanted to get a coffee from the restaurant of a hotel and were turned away).

It all left a strong mark on me that from the admittedly small sampling I personally witnessed, I was deeply impressed with the application of the design requirements. These newer shelters are built like they are actually meant to be used, and are not limited to just the city centre. If you find such shelters in 3rd line cities and in flats well outside of the city centre, that’s pretty persuasive evidence to me that the application is nation wide.
 
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OTCDebunker

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plawolf said:
While is is true that the requirements are nothing new, what struck me the most was the stark difference in application.

The application of these design requirements went from token box ticking exercises to extremely serious in the last few years especially, and from purely anecdotal observations, it looks to me like the preparations are systematic across the country rather than focused to specific cities like Beijing previously.

A lot of this is hard to measure and observe, as few foreigners will be going to the underground parking garages of random Chinese residential blocks, and since I was travelling with a foreign passport holder, it was actually eye opening to see how few hotels would accept foreign guests and how defensive the staff got at the mere approach of a foreigner (we just wanted to get a coffee from the restaurant of a hotel and were turned away).

It all left a strong mark on me that from the admittedly small sampling I personally witnessed, I was deeply impressed with the application of the design requirements. These newer shelters are built like they are actually meant to be used, and are not limited to just the city centre. If you find such shelters in 3rd line cities and in flats well outside of the city centre, that’s pretty persuasive evidence to me that the application is nation wide.
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How bad was the anti-foreign treatment?

I've heard that it's actually gotten quite more open, common, and aggressive in just very recent times. It almost sounds like it's open 'racism' of a sorts. A part of me does not want to believe that Chinese can be like that, but reality is that everyone is human and the last few years have given Chinese all over the world very good reason to just sorta be fed up with foreigners. At least a certain type of foreigner that we all know loves to profess their love of 'freedom' that is.
 
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Coalescence

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plawolf said:
A lot of this is hard to measure and observe, as few foreigners will be going to the underground parking garages of random Chinese residential blocks, and since I was travelling with a foreign passport holder, it was actually eye opening to see how few hotels would accept foreign guests and how defensive the staff got at the mere approach of a foreigner (we just wanted to get a coffee from the restaurant of a hotel and were turned away).

It all left a strong mark on me that from the admittedly small sampling I personally witnessed, I was deeply impressed with the application of the design requirements. These newer shelters are built like they are actually meant to be used, and are not limited to just the city centre. If you find such shelters in 3rd line cities and in flats well outside of the city centre, that’s pretty persuasive evidence to me that the application is nation wide.
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I've been busy with schoolwork lately, but I thought I should share interesting personal anecdote. During the last national holiday, one of my relative's friend showed me around a highway (or expansion, not sure) that was recently built in Quanzhou connecting to Fuzhou and Xiamen.

According to him, before the highway was built it would take a few days to travel between Fuzhou and Quanzhou, now it only takes around 12-16 hrs to send supplies or people over. He claims that this is being done not only for economic purposes, but to also prepare for a possible war in the future over the Taiwan straits, since Fujian is going to be the main staging point, being the region on the other side of the Taiwan straits.
 
In4ser

In4ser

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Interference must be back in order from the Mao era. The concept and practice of no overt Chinese interference is a mixed bag to negative for China so far in my opinion. I mean, if China can't even have a positive image of itself on its periphery despite its massive BRI investments, tourism, etc...then what chance does it even have on actually influencing overtly and covertly countries that's out of area?
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Nah China should focus on the economic competition. Once the USD crashes into extended recession and US and NGO funding dries up, all the negative propaganda programs and paid shills will suddenly disappear and all the anti-Chinese politicians and scared neighbors will start looking for money and support from China.

Patience, persistence and planning are still the greatness advantages of the Chinese model. We’ve already waited for decades what’s a few more years?
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Overbom said:
Good riddance. Another CIA success, but I see it more as a favour to China.

Failed economies/countries have no place in BRICS. Imagine your one of your first added country being Argentina lol

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France is like, "Since there is an opening, Noowwww can we join s'il vous plaît?"
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manqiangrexue said:
France is like, "Since there is an opening, Noowwww can we join s'il vous plaît?"
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No thanks. If European countries start joining then it defeats the purpose. The Global South needs its own forum to push its views and strengthen economic and diplomatic relationships. The west have their forums, the rest should have theirs.
 
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Africablack

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Maikeru said:
Not a completely stupid idea from BRICS pov. If there was one major western power that could be 'flipped', it would be France. From China's pov France would be a better member than Argentina (or India).
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If France joins it won't end there, other European countries will apply and start pushing their Eurocentric views on everyone. Africans know full well how France behaves.
 
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PeoplesPoster

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plawolf said:
While is is true that the requirements are nothing new, what struck me the most was the stark difference in application.

The application of these design requirements went from token box ticking exercises to extremely serious in the last few years especially, and from purely anecdotal observations, it looks to me like the preparations are systematic across the country rather than focused to specific cities like Beijing previously.

A lot of this is hard to measure and observe, as few foreigners will be going to the underground parking garages of random Chinese residential blocks, and since I was travelling with a foreign passport holder, it was actually eye opening to see how few hotels would accept foreign guests and how defensive the staff got at the mere approach of a foreigner (we just wanted to get a coffee from the restaurant of a hotel and were turned away).

It all left a strong mark on me that from the admittedly small sampling I personally witnessed, I was deeply impressed with the application of the design requirements. These newer shelters are built like they are actually meant to be used, and are not limited to just the city centre. If you find such shelters in 3rd line cities and in flats well outside of the city centre, that’s pretty persuasive evidence to me that the application is nation wide.
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Maybe so, I've just taken the whole shelter thing for granted as they've been prevalent in almost all parking garages since I can remember. I would be hesitant to make the claim that this is somehow new or more systematic then it has been before.

As for the hotel thing, that's always been the case. Hotels need certain certifications to host foreign visitors and most don't, either due to hassle or cost.
 
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