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Stierlitz

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On 15 November, The Guardian caused a social media stir by removing a letter from its website written by the late Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, titled "A Letter to America." The missive, which had remained on the media outlet's site for over two decades, delved into the reasons behind the fateful 9/11 attacks on the US, which it said was a response to US injustices in Afghanistan, Palestine, and other parts of the Islamic world.

Bin Laden's letter went viral, and was heavily shared among American youth on social media platforms, with many agreeing with his message about malign US foreign policies in West Asian and prompting a reevaluation of the western narratives that have supported endless ‘wars on terror.’

This unusual incident might not have occurred had Israel not been bombing the occupied Gaza Strip mercilessly for the past six weeks. The Palestinian resistance's 7 October Al-Aqsa Flood operation in southern Israel - and Israel's disproportionate response to it - has thoroughly shifted global sentiment against Israel and its American benefactor, destroying decades of carefully laid western narratives and redirecting global ire at the US for its instigation of conflict, destruction, and terrorism in West Asia and beyond.

The battle for the Global South

The battleground for influence in the Global South has become a western priority, according to an article earlier this year in the Financial Times, which observed that "the fate of the democratic world will largely be decided in the so-called Global South."

This sentiment was echoed by US Vice President Kamala Harris at this year’s Munich Security Conference (MSC), emphasizing the need for persuasion and partnership with Global South countries, especially those “on the fence.” Other western leaders, such as French President Emmanuel Macron, have openly acknowledged the west's failure to address double standards, urging a new deal to win back the Global South.

Writings and statements throughout the year emphasized the urgency of developing a western strategy that respects Global South nations, addresses their concerns, and demonstrates a genuine commitment to collaboration. It is particularly daunting to address the global majority's prevailing belief that the west practices double standards through its much-ballyhooed ‘rules-based order.’

Roland Freudenstein, vice president of the European GLOBSEC Study Center, argues that “respectful communication must go hand in hand with concrete efforts to address the material issues and dependencies of the Global South."

Bloomberg published an article titled "The west must offer the Global South a new deal," where the author stresses that winning the battle against China and Russia requires the west to win over countries of the Global South by focusing on issues that matter to them. And Politico maintains that “to punish Putin, the west must talk to the Global South as partners.”

This may be nigh near impossible. Intelligence firm GIS Reports contends that “the west still misunderstands the Global South,” a fact made crystal clear when the collective west threw considerable weight behind Israel's destruction of Gaza.

The events of 7 October illustrated the elements the west sought to downplay: double standards, hypocrisy, and a self-centered approach.

Global South's diplomatic pushback

To counter Russia and confront China, the west has adopted the narrative of "defending the rules-based world order," a rallying cry employed by EU and the US during the Ukrainian war. However, the west's simultaneous support for Israel’s genocidal actions against Palestinians has exposed a selective application of international norms driven by geopolitical interests.

A Foreign Policy article warns that “the longer the Israel-Hamas war goes on, the greater the risk to western credibility in the global south becomes.”

The global majority's response to the war transcends the Palestinian issue, particularly in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Viewing the conflict through the lens of their own struggle against colonialism and imperialism, their anger has only consolidated and intensified with each passing week of the war. The inconsistency of the west, defending “blond-haired and blue-eyed” Ukrainians while arming the massacre of “brown” Palestinians in Gaza, has singlehandedly destroyed the efficacy of every single western narrative since World War 2.

To put this into perspective, the number of Palestinians killed in only one month has already exceeded the 9,806 civilian deaths in two years of war in Ukraine.

This disparity in human valuation is being strongly registered in the Global South. The question is whether it will seize this opportunity to seek retribution for decades of western-inflicted injustices, including this one in Palestine.

Indeed, public opinion in the Global South has prompted several heads of state to take action against the occupation state. Bolivia was the first to sever ties with Tel Aviv, while Belize suspended theirs. Elsewhere, Chile, Colombia, Honduras, Bahrain, Jordan, Turkiye, Chad, and South Africa withdrew their ambassadors.

Although the Global South has not yet spoken definitively, the aftermath of this conflict is poised to shape its perception of, and potentially, its relations with the west. Unconditional support for Israeli actions could trigger an irreversible backlash against Washington's critical interests in its strategic competition with Beijing, Moscow, and Tehran.

US soft power erosion

Perspectives from academic researchers offer a deeper understanding of some potential consequences. Brazilian scholar Lucas Goalberto do Nascimento, of the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, explains to The Cradle that:

"Most public opinion in the Global South will have a negative attitude toward the United States and its allies in support of the ongoing Israeli invasion. As a result, the Global South will view other powers that respect Palestinian statehood in a positive way, as they counterbalance the unilateral attempts to impose their will."

Dr Mario Antonio Padilla Torres from Cuba asserts that:

"The United States has always supported Israeli Zionism and is therefore also guilty of genocide against Palestinians. I believe that the United States will lose credibility in the world because of this war, and that China, Russia and other emerging powers will be more credible."

According to Dr Monogit Das, an Indian geopolitical researcher:

"A negative view of the United States in the Global South could create opportunities for other powers such as Russia and China to strengthen their influence, especially if they position themselves as advocates of a more balanced and principled approach to conflicts in West Asia."

Armenian researcher Ashkhin Givorjian also anticipates a negative view of the US in the Global South, potentially influencing government attitudes, while Maria Aniyukhovskaya, a researcher at Belarusian State University, advocates for world powers like Russia and China to intervene and become a lifeline for those impacted by unwanted Atlanticist intervention in regional conflicts.

Palestinian power and the Global South

Importantly, Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign in Gaza has also dealt a severe blow to the west's longstanding efforts of cultivating soft power via the younger generation, whose embrace of the "western model's aesthetic" has been critical to manufacture consensus for a US-led global order.

What's certain is that the Global South, already deeply motivated to helm its own rudder in a multipolar world, is in a much stronger position to collectively reject the double standards, pressures, and diktats of Washington and its allies. The brutal mass murder of Palestinian civilians has not only refocused international attention on the Palestinian cause, but is also serving as a stern reminder that the collusion of just a few western states can pose an existential threat to the international community.

At a time when western leaders are seeking optimal strategies to regain influence in the Global South - after losing out to Russia during the Ukrainian conflict - today, Israel's actions have firmly thwarted all Atlanticist initiatives aimed at rehabilitating the west's “benevolent” image.

Essentially, the Palestinian resistance has dealt a severe blow to the collective western endeavor of securing influence in the Global South. If anything, as Israel's brutality continues unabated, the global majority is likely to more openly and stridently resist the rules-based paradigm, undermining the west's strategic objectives against rival powers.

The crucial question is whether Washington's competitors will seize this opportunity to further their own interests.

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Phead128

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Why is sino phobia so rampant and in a place like Myanmar? I thought china would have more influence in that country. How does china reverse this tend of countries using china as a scapegoat. I dont think that's a good way forward for china. Something needs to be done to try and reverse it, even though I have no idea what would process would be.
There is a sensitive ethnic Chinese autonomous border area that is aligned/backed by China. It's precisely this backing that gives China unprecedented influence over Myanmar, since they require China as a mediator to reign in this autonomous ethnic border regions. Another partial reason is the memory of Qianlong emperor of Qing dynasty's campaign against Myanmar, but unlike British, China never colonized Myanmar. As someone else said, ethnic Chinese dominate the economy in Myanmar, the ethnic Chinese diaspora are like the Jews of Southeast Asia and there are anti-Chinese riots in past because of dominant business success... Still China-Myanmar relations are strong, they don't always listen to China but they are relatively strong partners.
 

pevade

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I went back in September and staying mostly in Nanjing. One of the (newish) shopping center I went to in downtown I noticed had an underground parking lot like that. The walls and pillars are built from very robust looking reinforced concrete and the whole parking lot is divided into many smaller subsections each separated from each other with bank vault thick blast doors. Floors had hazard lines directing foot traffic independents of regular normal use parking instructions.

I remarked about this to my wife and her friend (a local) and she said yes it's quite common everywhere in Nanjing.
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Temstar

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The ones I saw was even more elaborate than this, I'll find some similar photos that will give you an idea:
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Specifically the blast doors are big enough to allow regular civilian traffic in both direction and probably a tank through in one direction.

Because of this discussion I bought up this topic with my wife over dinner and she asked the question "wouldn't this bring up the construction cost for buildings?" to which I answered "that's the cost you have to pay if you want to be a superpower, both US and Soviet Union had done this long ago".
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Why is sino phobia so rampant and in a place like Myanmar? I thought china would have more influence in that country. How does china reverse this tend of countries using china as a scapegoat. I dont think that's a good way forward for china. Something needs to be done to try and reverse it, even though I have no idea what would process would be.
Interference must be back in order from the Mao era. The concept and practice of no overt Chinese interference is a mixed bag to negative for China so far in my opinion. I mean, if China can't even have a positive image of itself on its periphery despite its massive BRI investments, tourism, etc...then what chance does it even have on actually influencing overtly and covertly countries that's out of area?
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Argentina is screwed, big time.
No only he is an idiot, I am 100% sure that CIA has infinite blackmail material on him.

Who cares man, it's clear that Argentinas elite which looks upto the U.S. for their business, social, and culture supports this man and I wish Argentina nothing but the best. The regular folks are already suffering through a combined incompetence, neglect, hubris, and corruption of their elected clowns. This new guy isn't going to cause any damage more than what his previous predecessors have done.
 

Minm

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Go to defence.pk (holy toxicity btw LOL!) and tons of Muslims, Arabs, and other Middle-Easterners complain bitterly about how "China does nothing again as usual".

Why is sino phobia so rampant and in a place like Myanmar? I thought china would have more influence in that country. How does china reverse this tend of countries using china as a scapegoat. I dont think that's a good way forward for china. Something needs to be done to try and reverse it, even though I have no idea what would process would be.
People need to get used to the idea that China is not a normal country anymore, it's one of two superpowers. A relatively weak country with a powerful enemy will always ask for support from a distant superpower. The global South is yearning for a leader to speak on its behalf and I believe China is trying to take that position. It just has to be done in such a way that it makes the world safer and advances Chinese interests as well. So China is acting frustratingly carefully and slowly

The neighbours of a superpower blaming them for their problems shouldn't be a surprise either. China has the power to force the Myanmar government to change, but doesn't use that power. Of course the opinion that China should take territory from Myanmar or take over the country, which seems to be widespread on this forum, can't help with relations
 

Sardaukar20

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Good riddance. Another CIA success, but I see it more as a favour to China.

Failed economies/countries have no place in BRICS. Imagine your one of your first added country being Argentina lol

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Good riddance. Argentina's problems are not the China's problems. If more than half of Argentinians want stupid, then they'll get stupid and more. China is too busy to care about a Latin America country that votes a clown into power. They haven't learnt anything from the Bolsonaro experiment over in their neighbour. Next time when Argentina gets into even deeper trouble, they might blame China again, but it'll mean nothing, and nobody would care anymore. China would have moved on by then.

If and when Milei dollarizes the Argentina economy, it'll mess up the Argentinian economy even further. The US will get to control the USD that Argentina is gonna use, and that will enslave the Argentinian economy to the US. The US might put conditions on the USD that Argentina uses, thereby controlling how it can trade with the rest of the world. So Argentina will be forced to allow Western firms, especially American, to colonize it's economy. If things are bad now, they haven't seen nothing yet.

There is also an ongoing anti-colonial wave in Latin America. If Milei acts on his idiotic ideals, then Argentina is gonna find itself isolated by it's neighbours.
 
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