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Ukraine is just the most obvious example currently. The biggest issue is how the US navy controls all shipping routes outside of the 1IC. There is nothing that China can reasonably do to stop shipment of hardware to Australia, for example. In the end, it's American gear being expended to kill America's enemies.
Ukraine is under existential threat, they don't have a choice. Like Palestine. I don't characterise Palestine as a Chinese proxy that is willing to lay down 100% of their lives for the cause, because they don't have any alternatives.
What covert and overt actions? As far as I've seen, China isn't even willing to punish Ukraine for the Motor Sichs backstab, nor their involvement in the HK riots. What was the response when high level officials called Chinese of "low intellectual potential"?
Well what more do you want than seeing millions of Ukrainians die, flee, have everything they've built up captured or destroyed, which will effectively end their attempt at nationhood?

I don't see how China can do more without committing crimes against humanity.
The Euros are placing second hand sanctions on Chinese companies and banks. Just recently, China banned all export of consumer drones that can be used for military purposes.
It's a real problem that they need to stem the tide through 3rd parties to Ukraine, which has become an insane problem, resold Chinese hardware is killing a ton of people on both sides. If hardware can only go to Russia, it would severely hamper Ukrainian defenses.
Meanwhile, Russia has the balls to send Wagner to support military coups in Mali, Niger, and Burkina Faso to overthrow pro-West governments.
Who enables Russia to do that, and who coordinates with Russia to move in all their stuff to start extracting resources once the west gets kicked out?
We all know the meme of Xi doing nothing and winning.
Do you really think Xi unironically does nothing? US talks more, but how much have they impacted the living standards or industrial power of China? And vice versa?

US is spamming punches that do little to nothing, like sanctions on products widely available in China, bans on politicians to travel to US, or however many millions to spread misinfo. While nearly every hook China throws out has devastating consequences for living standards in the west, causing dropping wages, recession, whole countries lost to western resource extraction etc.

It's insane to me that anyone would unironically think China did nothing. The world's premier power was simply granted to China by the heavens?
 

In4ser

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As if extracirriculars dont get gamified. Academic excellence is the most resilient measure of merit across history.
Education is like any other field. Proctors are human like you or I and can be bribed or blackmailed. Academia in the West for example is a hotbed of corruption. Entire College departments are often captured by big Corporations because they are the ones funding their research.

What's important is the end product. Whether the student is knowledgeable, hardworking and virtuous rather than if they can test a 1600 on the SAT.
 

GZDRefugee

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Ukraine is under existential threat, they don't have a choice. Like Palestine.
They had a choice to abide by the Minsk Agreements. Now they get to live with the consequences of their choices.
Well what more do you want than seeing millions of Ukrainians die, flee, have everything they've built up captured or destroyed, which will effectively end their attempt at nationhood?

I don't see how China can do more without committing crimes against humanity.
They can surrender, or alternatively present Zelenskyy's head to Putin. Seems to me that Ukrainians largely support the outcome of the Euromaidan coup and will fight to defend the Banderites. I don't have any sympathy for nazis.
Who enables Russia to do that, and who coordinates with Russia to move in all their stuff to start extracting resources once the west gets kicked out?
These things have been part of Russia's playbook since the USSR, China's involvement changes nothing. Not to mention, all were party to the BRI even before the coups so there was no real reason to potentially destabilize the region by supporting Russia's actions. In fact, Russia could have hurt Chinese interests in the region if the coups were not successful.
Do you really think Xi unironically does nothing? US talks more, but how much have they impacted the living standards or industrial power of China? And vice versa?

US is spamming punches that do little to nothing, like sanctions on products widely available in China, bans on politicians to travel to US, or however many millions to spread misinfo. While nearly every hook China throws out has devastating consequences for living standards in the west, causing dropping wages, recession, whole countries lost to western resource extraction etc.

It's insane to me that anyone would unironically think China did nothing. The world's premier power was simply granted to China by the heavens?
Seems to me all that was self inflicted by allowing capital to supercede proper governance. The US somehow managed to squander their position as sole superpower in a little over 30 years. In desperation, they're rehashing strategies that previously worked against the USSR and Japan.

I'm against relying upon your enemies to be incompetent, but I'm not above kicking a man in the nuts when he's down.
 

coolgod

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Seems to me all that was self inflicted by allowing capital to supercede proper governance. The US somehow managed to squander their position as sole superpower in a little over 30 years. In desperation, they're rehashing strategies that previously worked against the USSR and Japan.

I'm against relying upon your enemies to be incompetent, but I'm not above kicking a man in the nuts when he's down.
China doing nothing and winning is a funny meme, but nothing can be further from the truth. China is playing go by predicting US moves 10 years into the future. For example, ten years ago how many of us knew that EV would take over?
 

In4ser

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China doing nothing and winning is a funny meme, but nothing can be further from the truth. China is playing go by predicting US moves 10 years into the future. For example, ten years ago how many of us knew that EV would take over?
Not just predicting US moves but also creating openings to build advantages from its initiatives. If the US were in China's position and knew EVs were the future, its governmental cronyism with Big Auto and Big Oil would have prevented it from progressing as China did. Beijing made a gambit and because it worked it had the strategic focus and industrial capacity to capitalize on this play.

Seeing is one thing. Doing is another. Too often armchair generals overfocus on mental acuity but lack the knowledge and willpower to make things come to fruition. India is a great example of this.
 

coolgod

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Not just predicting US moves but also creating openings to build advantages from its initiatives. If the US were in China's position and knew EVs were the future, its governmental cronyism with Big Auto and Big Oil would have prevented it from progressing as China did. Beijing made a gambit and because it worked it had the strategic focus and industrial capacity to capitalize on this play.

Seeing is one thing. Doing is another. Too often armchair generals overfocus on mental acuity but lack the knowledge and willpower to make things come to fruition. India is a great example of this.
Drones are an excellent example of this. 10 years ago everyone knew drones were useful, look what happened. Just one Chinese company DJI can make the western MIC seethe for ages. DJI is probably the most important manufacturer for western forces in Ukraine right now.
 

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US Embassy in China claims Global Times retracted its story about purple faced swimmers:

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TK3600

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Education is like any other field. Proctors are human like you or I and can be bribed or blackmailed. Academia in the West for example is a hotbed of corruption. Entire College departments are often captured by big Corporations because they are the ones funding their research.

What's important is the end product. Whether the student is knowledgeable, hardworking and virtuous rather than if they can test a 1600 on the SAT.
Yes yes, but you gotta test it to know. Not unless you spend time getting to know every individual. There is no better alternative. After all possible abuse, it remains most resilient compared to alternatives.
 
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