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AssassinsMace said:

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The suggestion is threatening to use nukes will deter China from ever invading Taiwan. They just admitted it's just a strategy to scare China. That just opens the door for China to use nukes without hesitation against the US military. If they think they have to do this because China sees the hesitation in the US in going to war, it's because it's true. That's why you don't see the US and the West sending their troops to fight in Ukraine. They fear the escalation it will go higher despite how they lie to themselves that Russia is losing. What makes China any different when Chinese just have to retaliate using nukes. For some reason Americans think they can make excuses why China can't retaliate in kind with nukes and somehow China has to obey hence why they think this strategy will work. The way you make the US think twice is making it clear how much they will suffer. And that's a low threshold. It comes with the territory where they think their individual lives are so much more important and valuable than everyone else's that they don't want to lose their lives especially for some Taiwanese pansies. They go ape-shit over China putting an assault rife on a robot dog's back. And they're playing with those too. Do you see China getting scared shitless because of it? No wonder they think that will work against the Chinese because of how spineless they are. They think the other side does it more or they do it less... whichever is worse. So no wonder they think China will fall for it.

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They talk about using threats to tac-nuke a PLA flotilla heading to Taiwan as deterrence. No regard at all that doing so will irradiate not just China, but also Taiwan island itself. This is how much they care for the Taiwanese people. "Oh we're sorry you're irradiated now, but you have freedom".

Nukes are fun, until you get nuked back. What if China nukes a US CSG? All those ships blown up. All those precious American lives lost. Now they're in the same dilemma as China. Do they back down, or escalate to nuking Chinese cities and kick off nuclear Armageddon? We all know the answer to that.

Therefore it is totally justified for China to throttle up on its nuclear arsenal expansion. Let them know that China is also capable of nuking CONUS from coast to coast. Then the idea of nuking China doesn't look so fun anymore.

Index said:

Why are you using US aggressor language?

China's right to defend itself has never and will never be about "invading" Taiwan. China invaded Taiwan once and for all, in the 1600s when the Dutch owned the place.

This language is spread by US propagandist to justify American takeover of Chinese land, like when Russia say that Ukraine is invading the Donbass or Crimea.

If you are on China's side, you will not use the language of the aggressor.

Use of nukes to threaten the territory of another nuclear state, especially when both are massive nuclear powers, just lead to mutual suicide. There's a reason this is a proposal from nobodies and not US policy.

Decades ago, US had to remove nukes in illegally occupied Taiwan under nuclear ultimatum against a much less armed China.

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To a monster that only understands violence, and has killed tens of millions of people, direct and indirect, one must credibly wield overwhelming violence as the deterrent. You don't bring a pistol to defend yourself against a machine gun.

Sardaukar20 said:

Nukes are fun, until you get nuked back. What if China nukes a US CSG? All those ships blown up. All those precious American lives lost. Now they're in the same dilemma as China.

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Because they think the Chinese are bluffing and would never do it even if the US nukes China first. Just like how they tried to bluff Russia in Ukraine and is now currently in the find around phase.

Sardaukar20 said:

They talk about using threats to tac-nuke a PLA flotilla heading to Taiwan as deterrence. No regard at all that doing so will irradiate not just China, but also Taiwan island itself. This is how much they care for the Taiwanese people. "Oh we're sorry you're irradiated now, but you have freedom".

Nukes are only fun until you get nuked back. What if China nukes a US CSG? All those ships blown up. All those precious American lives lost. Now they're in the same dilemma as China. Do they back down, or escalate to nuking Chinese cities and kick off nuclear Armageddon? We all know the answer to that.

Therefore it is totally justified for China to throttle up on its nuclear arsenal expansion. Let them know that China is also capable of nuking CONUS from coast to coast. Then the idea of nuking China doesn't look so fun anymore.

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If this is what the USA wishes to do, then I guess they will invite Russia into the mix as well, should the USA be the one to use the first nuke on anyone, then by all means Russia and China should make it their mission to ensure that the moment the USA does such an act of evil that the entire nation must pay the price for centuries to come, thus ensuring there won’t be a future for these people, I mean they have made it clear if they could do so, they would invite the fate of the Palestinians into the Chinese people as well, seriously these people are evil cowards right now that cannot be trusted to do anything right for the world

However this is only the words of two strategist right now but given the insane support to Netanyahu and the fact they are white washing a literal genocide right now, they must treat every word in terms of China being nuked as a mortal threat and if China has enough nukes and is ready to use them, to ensure the moment a nuke goes off anywhere in the pacific from Israel or America that it is to be the very last nuke they ever use because neither China or Russia has ever said they would use there nukes first but the USA seem to Love using them as a blanket threat with no appreciation in regards to the risk. Should they be eventually make to suffer some proper consequences this time, my sympathies is simply not there anymore. Let’s pray it never happens but should the USA end like fallout, all I can say is that I am proud not to have gone there for a holiday (I mean I could randomly get shot for some stupid reason) and that place will not be missed. Pity for the people but seriously all those guns and they never seem to think about doing something about their traitors in congress, the nation is not brave, but a nation of cowards

AssassinsMace said:

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The suggestion is threatening to use nukes will deter China from ever invading Taiwan. They just admitted it's just a strategy to scare China. That just opens the door for China to use nukes without hesitation against the US military. If they think they have to do this because China sees the hesitation in the US in going to war, it's because it's true. That's why you don't see the US and the West sending their troops to fight in Ukraine. They fear the escalation it will go higher despite how they lie to themselves that Russia is losing. What makes China any different when Chinese just have to retaliate using nukes. For some reason Americans think they can make excuses why China can't retaliate in kind with nukes and somehow China has to obey hence why they think this strategy will work. The way you make the US think twice is making it clear how much they will suffer. And that's a low threshold. It comes with the territory where they think their individual lives are so much more important and valuable than everyone else's that they don't want to lose their lives especially for some Taiwanese pansies. They go ape-shit over China putting an assault rife on a robot dog's back. And they're playing with those too. Do you see China getting scared shitless because of it? No wonder they think that will work against the Chinese because of how spineless they are. They think the other side does it more or they do it less... whichever is worse. So no wonder they think China will fall for it.

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It is important that any MAD arrangement China establishes isn't limited to the US, but covers all European nations and colonies. This prevents Western strategists from obtaining threat leverage via "we still have Europe, Canada, Australia, Brazil, etc., while the Chinese only have China." Western elites are largely unified as a single block, and this makes it difficult to threaten them in an existential way without targeting all of them at once. You don't want to end up in a situation where the EU maintains neutrality, US elites get on planes to Europe, Brazil, etc., nukes fly, and Chinese civilization is destroyed but the West gets off with just a leg cut off.

To properly deter the West, China needs enough nukes for all the continents the West dominates. Such is the unfortunate result of the Age of Colonialism.

Sardaukar20 said:

They talk about using threats to tac-nuke a PLA flotilla heading to Taiwan as deterrence. No regard at all that doing so will irradiate not just China, but also Taiwan island itself. This is how much they care for the Taiwanese people. "Oh we're sorry you're irradiated now, but you have freedom".

Nukes are fun, until you get nuked back. What if China nukes a US CSG? All those ships blown up. All those precious American lives lost. Now they're in the same dilemma as China. Do they back down, or escalate to nuking Chinese cities and kick off nuclear Armageddon? We all know the answer to that.

Therefore it is totally justified for China to throttle up on its nuclear arsenal expansion. Let them know that China is also capable of nuking CONUS from coast to coast.

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But they already know.

Sardaukar20 said:

Then the idea of nuking China doesn't look so fun anymore.

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The idea is still fun because for the man who overdosed on copium, they would rather call a draw than face certain loss.

I think the only way forward is to keep make them think they can get a draw, but when the chips fall down, make sure that many more Chinese make it out of armageddon than Americans.

As Washington's rhetoric and threats around China's homeland increases, it also needs to be made clear to America that an attempt to forcefully annex any part of China or end the Chinese nation will not only be met with the end of the American nation, but the systematic genocide of "western" legacy and people's through WMDs. This type of option would serve as a final appeal to the self preservation of the anglo peoples.

Because China has conventional advantage, it must continue to push nuclear threshold use extremely high and out of reach, in order to favor its own warfighting strategy. And the best way to do it is by causing overwhelming fear. More FOBS weapons placed in space, more large warhead tests, and keep Americans guessing whether Chinese missile defense/bunkers can actually let China win a nuclear war.

Make them think that the moment they shoot even 1 measly tactical nuke, they may get nuked from space across their whole civilisation and in all their cultural heritage sites with a 5 min warning timer.

enroger said:

Seems to me Iran is a very fractured nation, half of them are ready to fight to the death and half of them are ready to worship the west. IRGC is quite competent in foreign operations yet they don't seems to be interested in running the country, other than IRGC the rest of the Iran's national apparatus is just as incompetent as their arab neighbors.

Not sure who I'd bet on an Iran vs Israel fight. Let's see how Iran handles this latest incident

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Saudi has 19m own people and 15m migrants. how many countries can manage so much migrants relative to domestic population with huge Land and Sea borders in unstable region?. on top of that dealing with alot of old people who want to see the holy places.
i think with advancement of technology Gulf Arabs will make even more correct decisions. They are the rational people.

AssassinsMace said:

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The suggestion is threatening to use nukes will deter China from ever invading Taiwan. They just admitted it's just a strategy to scare China. That just opens the door for China to use nukes without hesitation against the US military. If they think they have to do this because China sees the hesitation in the US in going to war, it's because it's true. That's why you don't see the US and the West sending their troops to fight in Ukraine. They fear the escalation it will go higher despite how they lie to themselves that Russia is losing. What makes China any different when Chinese just have to retaliate using nukes. For some reason Americans think they can make excuses why China can't retaliate in kind with nukes and somehow China has to obey hence why they think this strategy will work. The way you make the US think twice is making it clear how much they will suffer. And that's a low threshold. It comes with the territory where they think their individual lives are so much more important and valuable than everyone else's that they don't want to lose their lives especially for some Taiwanese pansies. They go ape-shit over China putting an assault rife on a robot dog's back. And they're playing with those too. Do you see China getting scared shitless because of it? No wonder they think that will work against the Chinese because of how spineless they are. They think the other side does it more or they do it less... whichever is worse. So no wonder they think China will fall for it.

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Sardaukar20 said:

They talk about using threats to tac-nuke a PLA flotilla heading to Taiwan as deterrence. No regard at all that doing so will irradiate not just China, but also Taiwan island itself. This is how much they care for the Taiwanese people. "Oh we're sorry you're irradiated now, but you have freedom".

Nukes are fun, until you get nuked back. What if China nukes a US CSG? All those ships blown up. All those precious American lives lost. Now they're in the same dilemma as China. Do they back down, or escalate to nuking Chinese cities and kick off nuclear Armageddon? We all know the answer to that.

Therefore it is totally justified for China to throttle up on its nuclear arsenal expansion. Let them know that China is also capable of nuking CONUS from coast to coast. Then the idea of nuking China doesn't look so fun anymore.

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Noone should get away with irradiating and poisoning China and East Asia. That land is sacred, as sacred to humanity as the cradle of civilisation. The only response to that is the complete irradiation of North America, Europe and the British Isles, twice. See how welcome anglo europeans are in post apocalyptic cartel territory.

Eventine said:

It is important that any MAD arrangement China establishes isn't limited to the US, but covers all European nations and colonies. This prevents Western strategists from obtaining threat leverage via "we still have Europe, Canada, Australia, Brazil, etc., while the Chinese only have China." Western elites are largely unified as a single block, and this makes it difficult to threaten them in an existential way without targeting all of them at once. You don't want to end up in a situation where the EU maintains neutrality, US elites get on planes to Europe, Brazil, etc., nukes fly, and Chinese civilization is destroyed but the West gets off with just a leg cut off.

To properly deter the West, China needs enough nukes for all the continents the West dominates. Such is the unfortunate result of the Age of Colonialism.

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I agree. That's why I think it's important that China's HGV that can release a payload be developed and deployed if it's realistically possible. China needs to be able to strike the homelands of every enemy and their allies even if it's just a conventional bomb being used. I was reading comments to Israel's strike on Yemen's storage facilities and the right-wing were getting all excited over pictures of those big explosions. That's what they need to experience at home. Their moods will turn 180 degrees when that happens to them. Americans seeing all their refineries and other infrastructure burning and exploding will make them think twice about irresponsibly threatening war and using nukes. If China has such a weapon, they could target individuals they don't like. Bomb a politician's home. Or how about just someone on internet that spews anti-Chinese hate. In this day and age of doxing, you don't think someone will post on the internet their home address so China can drop a bomb on their house? The right-wing will be living and moving only underground like rats in fear they will be targeted. Start buying stock in companies that make doomsday shelters.

Sardaukar20 said:

Falun Gong. You don't even know what that is don't you? Yet you call yourself smart. You call others propagandists for the West. Yet you don't even know who you have quoted from.

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Where? Are you so triggered that you gotta make stuff up now? Or are you just.. "misinterpreting"?

I'm not an expert on China, and I don't mind being educated.

Sardaukar20 said:

Yeah I guessed so. You can't even remember your own Israel nuclear conspiracy school boy theories. Lazy in research, and full of speculations. Yet you think yourself as an expert in nuclear warfare.

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Wtaf are you talking about? Are you sure you're not again remembering something that did not exist in the first place? Lmao
Sounds like a ... "distraction".

Sardaukar20 said:

I had already thanked you for clarifying the difference between Salafi and Wahabi. I didn't say you were wrong. But yet again you continue to distract from my criticisms of the extremists from both of them and attack me. Which shows clearly that you don't want to acknowledge these problems. You can't debate hard facts, that is why you resort to insults and distractions.

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If you felt attacked, remember "this forum isn't for the sensitive". Next time, don't feel attacked. Lol. No need to play victim.

Sardaukar20 said:

You like to think you're smart, but you clearly live in your own bubble where you assume that anyone who criticizes the Muslim world have been duped by the West.

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You like to think that I like to think that I am smart, but you are just triggered and mistaken. Lol.
Now I remember you from our previous interaction: you got some poor comprehension which leads you to debating against contentions that do not exist, which in the end lead to ... nowhere. And somewhere along the way, a mental breakdown occurs.

You may continue on with your criticism. I got no issues with that. Just pointing out, as previously stated, that there was serious flaw in your premise. Hopefully, that is corrected now.

iBBz said:

People in the comments say this is a house being blown up in the West Bank, not in Iran. Has this been confirmed?

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No idea about that. Lot of misinformation going around. The official Twitter handle of Khamenei has acknowledged the death.

Still too fishy imo, as if Iran had an ulterior hand in it.

FriedButter said:

Because they think the Chinese are bluffing and would never do it even if the US nukes China first. Just like how they tried to bluff Russia in Ukraine and is now currently in the find around phase.

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I'm pretty sure they are the ones who are bluffing because they understand their normal SOP's are no longer working and they got nothing else left in the barrel. Might as well wag the nukes. It's a sign of desperation.