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Overbom

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So the Ukrainian FM is going to stay to China for four whole days..

That's very uncommon if it was going to be just normal visit, which leads me to believe that Elensky wants to hedge his bets in case Trump becomes president. On the other hand, Putin would be an idiot if he agreed to anything before Trump actually becomes president.

So this middle stage between these two parties require some Chinese mediation which is partly why the Ukrainian FM is coming to China.
 
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KampfAlwin said:
Least retarded western analysis
So it used to be China 'stoking tensions' in SCS to drive up nationalism due to 'collapsing economy'. Now it's China resolving tensions in SCS also because of 'collapsing economy'???

Western analysis today be like: China does literally anything = It's because of the collapsing economy

lmao
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Dear diary. It is day 420 of the trade war. We the United States keep fighting with great success and are advancing more and more every day towards the rear echelons. The Chinese forces are in total collapse, falling over themselves to cover the ground we left behind. Within a decade, we may have advanced so far that the Indian economy overtakes us.
 
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Overbom said:
So the Ukrainian FM is going to stay to China for four whole days..

That's very uncommon if it was going to be just normal visit, which leads me to believe that Elensky wants to hedge his bets in case Trump becomes president. On the other hand, Putin would be an idiot if he agreed to anything before Trump actually becomes president.

So this middle stage between these two parties require some Chinese mediation which is partly why the Ukrainian FM is coming to China.
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Where is he staying now? Who pays for his hotel and meals?
 
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KampfAlwin said:
Least retarded western analysis
So it used to be China 'stoking tensions' in SCS to drive up nationalism due to 'collapsing economy'. Now it's China resolving tensions in SCS also because of 'collapsing economy'???

Western analysis today be like: China does literally anything = It's because of the collapsing economy

lmao
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From an emotional aspect we still get affected. But realistically there's no point listening to western media which is now a sinking ship. Just look at the chaos that's going on there.

Another thing you may also see is the US stock market might have a another "correction" soon. When that happens, it's going to be the start of something painful.
 
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henrik said:
Where is he staying now? Who pays for his hotel and meals?
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What are these juvenile questions?

Go dig up the diplomatic protocol about this

Interesting, seems that Wang Yi invited him. Spicy
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Ukrainian FM to visit China, ‘recognizing nation’s constructive role’
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Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba is scheduled to visit China from Tuesday to Friday, with analysts saying that this shows Ukraine is increasingly realizing that China plays not only a constructive but also a significant role in helping conflicting parties in the Ukraine crisis seek a chance for political settlement.
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On Sunday local time, US President Joe Biden announced his decision to exit the presidential election, with some observers saying that all relevant parties in the Ukraine crisis have the same feeling - the US is going to undergo a major change in its stance over the Ukraine crisis. As a result, they will take action to be prepared as soon as possible, and this has provided some hope for peace.
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Allies are very concerned about the uncertainty in the US, and seeking diplomatic support and cooperation from a major power that can offer certain and responsible support for peace, such as China, will be increasingly important for Ukraine to find a way out from the endless war, to mediate their complicated problems with Russia, and even rid themselves of the control and manipulation from external powers over its own security issues, experts said.
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It's not some US government official putting it out there that the US should threaten to arm South Korea and Japan with nukes. It's another Sue Mi Terry. Easy to say it. Having nukes gives a country more independence in the world. You think the US really wants Japan and South Korea to have nukes? Does the US expect China not to make more and/or proliferate nukes in response? Why share when they can do it on their own? That's sharing responsibility with the US. They're afraid to do it alone. South Korea is easier to nuke than Japan and all the fallout from their own nukes will pass back over both of them. The US violates their own nuclear proliferation policies and they expect China to still abide by it...? The whole idea is believing it will scare China because two more countries on the US side will have available to decide to launch nukes. That's a nightmare for the US because they will be drawn into a nuclear confrontation by another country. They would be making independent decisions apart from the US or else why have them if they could rely on the US? That's why it's an empty threat. The blowback is China will make more nukes which is their worst case scenario.
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It may be some dumb statements from Sue Mi Terry. But the current series of US governments have a pattern of incrementally increasing the nuclear stakes with its adversaries. In the last NATO summit, they have decided to deploy long-ranged US missiles, likely nuclear tipped in Germany by 2026.
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Long-range US missiles are to be deployed periodically in Germany from 2026 for the first time since the Cold War, in a decision announced at Nato's 75th anniversary summit.

The Tomahawk cruise, SM-6 and hypersonic
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Therefore, it is not out of this world to presume that they're gonna replicate that same nonsense in East Asia. After all, Abe (may he rot in hell) had expressed a keen desire to for Japan to receive US nuclear weapons sharing. If the US is already planning to do it Europe, despite the might of the Russian nuclear arsenal, why would it not do the same against China, who has a comparatively weaker nuclear arsenal? Trump, the president who pulled the US out of the INF treaty is almost guaranteed to return to power next year, so chances are, he is gonna want to step up the nuclear tensions with China.

The US is never gonna trust Japan or South Korea to have their own nukes under their own respective controls. It wants them to host its own nukes, with it controlling the launch codes. All that nuclear sharing BS is for the ultimate aim of getting US nukes as close as possible to China's shores. So that the US elites can put a nuclear gun on China's head. The current US elites are already showing a reckless pattern of reigniting nuclear confrontation with the US's adversaries. From leaving the ABM treaty, to their latest plans to redeploy nuclear missiles in Europe again. They have already hinted, that they plan to upgrade their defense umbrella with Japan and South Korea to re-include nuclear war. Hence they are telling us that they are no longer confident of winning any conventional war with China and must eventually escalate to nuclear war, where they think they still have an advantage, at least on paper. Ironically, it is reckless US actions like these that have given China legitimate reasons to "escalate to deescalate". Even Scott Ritter, the boomer who fears nuclear war, feels that China has to develop nuclear parity with the US in order to force the US elites to get onto the negotiating table.
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
It may be some dumb statements from Sue Mi Terry. But the current series of US governments have a pattern of incrementally increasing the nuclear stakes with its adversaries. In the last NATO summit, they have decided to deploy long-ranged US missiles, likely nuclear tipped in Germany by 2026.
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Therefore, it is not out of this world to presume that they're gonna replicate that same nonsense in East Asia. After all, Abe (may he rot in hell) had expressed a keen desire to for Japan to receive US nuclear weapons sharing. If the US is already planning to do it Europe, despite the might of the Russian nuclear arsenal, why would it not do the same against China, who has a comparatively weaker nuclear arsenal?
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China is a lot more powerful than Russia though. Even if the amount of nukes are similar, Russia only has a doubtful ability to consistently make Avangard, while only China's own decision to avoid threatening first strike prevents them from putting tactical nukes on every DF27/17.

But what boosts China the most ultimately is that they have much more conventional muscle to back up the last resort of nukes than what Russia has.
Sardaukar20 said:
Trump, the president who pulled the US out of the INF treaty is almost guaranteed to return to power next year, so chances are, he is gonna want to step up the nuclear tensions with China.

The US is never gonna trust Japan or South Korea to have their own nukes under their own respective controls. It wants them to host its own nukes, with it controlling the launch codes. All that nuclear sharing BS is for the ultimate aim of getting US nukes as close as possible to China's shores. So that the US elites can put a nuclear gun on China's head. The current US elites are already showing a reckless pattern of reigniting nuclear confrontation with the US's adversaries. From leaving the ABM treaty, to their latest plans to redeploy nuclear missiles in Europe again. They have already hinted, that they plan to upgrade their defense umbrella with Japan and South Korea to re-include nuclear war. Hence they are telling us that they are no longer confident of winning any conventional war with China and must eventually escalate to nuclear war, where they think they still have an advantage, at least on paper. Ironically, it is reckless US actions like these that have given China legitimate reasons to "escalate to deescalate". Even Scott Ritter, the boomer who fears nuclear war, feels that China has to develop nuclear parity with the US in order to force the US elites to get onto the negotiating table.
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Ironically this was what US projected that NK would do, use it's nukes to blackmail its enemies into giving them international legitimacy, because they know conventional route doesn't work for them.

There are no direct easy answers because nukes are easy to build while defenses are expensive and have poor success rates. The only thing China can do to mitigate nuclear blackmail is to keep up the fake appearance of "mutual disarmament" while in secret building and researching technologies that could win a peer nuclear war.
 
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