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AssassinsMace

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What happened to kicking China out from the dollar? Before this they were already softening their position saying they were only going to kick out some Chinese banks. These companies probably don't do much business with the West in the first place so they can spin it as striking a huge blow against China and Americans will love it because they want to believe they have that much power over China.

The US and the West talking about war with China... the same thing going on. Threaten extreme action to scare China into submission and then when China doesn't do what they were hoping... never follow through because they'll suffer the consequences. And you know they thought China was going to fold like Japan did because of course they think all Asians are alike.
 

Eventine

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We will see whether China is committed to calling the US's bluff. Bilateral trade with Russia in 2024 is worth less than bilateral trade with the US but not by much, and Russia is closer to China geopolitically, so losing US trade in exchange for Russian trade isn't a bad deal. But trade with the EU is a different story - it is still a large component of China's over all trade, so there might be hesitation.

Either way, the trend is obvious. The West will not allow Russia to win, and China cannot afford to allow them to lose. Trade relations cannot be sustained at the same level in these circumstances.
 

pmc

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Such great Arab governance that the great Arabian Peninsula was divided into 6 independent countries on lines that were neither ethnic, nor linguistic, nor religious, nor cultural. In fact, it's hard to think on what lines these divisions occurred apart from, of course, poor governance.
Saudi have intervened in Bahrain. they have little interest beyond that. They can easily occupy the rest. but they care about Soft Power. no need to remove current Royal families who had developed there own Soft Power. now calling the world wealthiest people with most soft power poor governance.
 

plawolf

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I found this in a local paper from Iowa:
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According to a person who got stabbed, they said that the police told them that the attacker recently fell on hard times and what set him off was a bump from one of the members in his group).

In addition, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson said that the incident was an accident with no political connections and had to emphasize that to a Western journalist who looks like they want to spin the incident into a “rabid Chinese nationalist attack foreigners” story.
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It seems to be an unfortunate accident, and a recently mentally ill person was within a hair’s breadth of losing his mind.

Some people just couldn’t catch a break. This guy recently went through some shit, decided to take on TaiQi to improve his mental, physical and spiritual health, but ran into annoying, loud, rude and entitled Americans trying to flex white privilege in China and gave in to his intrusive thoughts.

That’s how the western MSM would have spun it if it was the other way around.
 

MortyandRick

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Market size = population x disposable wealth per capita. The two factors are multiplicative so if you're short on either, you're screwed.

India isn't a powerful market because its wealth per capita is low. Singapore isn't a powerful market because its population is low. These are two extremes but they illustrate the same phenomenon.

The US is a powerful market because it has plenty of both. The EU is similar, and hence its importance in global trade.

What I'm saying is very basic. In a world where there's less trade, the domestic market takes on more importance for national power.

You want BOTH more people and more productivity per person. You can't lack either if you want to be a super power.
Concept is simple and clear but your argument is not.
You said chinas problem is mainly demographic.
Ultimately the problem comes down to demographics and the fact that China has no way to shore up long term domestic demand due to a falling population. In a world where there is no trade, China’s industries would struggle because of a demand crunch. Hence China’s current push for more globalization and trade despite the West being done with it.

China's population is larger than the US and the EU.

China's GDP per capital is rising. Why can't china shore up demand by getting richer? Why would china have "no way" to shore up demographics?

If chinas GDP per capita is rising and still has space to rise, chinas population is the size of US and EU combined, why can't china use domestic demand the grow their industries?

can the US survive just by trading domestically? I think they tried that in the 1930s, and it resulted in the great depression.

The truth is while US and EU are large markets, so is china. US and EU are turning away from globalization because their industries are losing competitiveness. They cannot survive without global trade either. No country can in this day or age.

The West will cannot afford to allow Russia to win, and China cannot afford will not allow them to lose.
Corrected it for you to make it more accurate.
 

plawolf

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Some people seem to think trade = charity. The west isn’t trading with China out of the goodness of their hearts. Trade is a two way street, both sides benefits or there would be no trade.

The biggest difference between western and Chinese consumers’ spending patterns are actually an inversion of perceptions.

The average western worker might take home an enviable pay cheque compared to the equivalent Chinese worker in absolute monetary terms, but the vast difference in the cost of living in the west compared to China means the western worker has far less disposable income at the end of the day. Basically their entire pay cheque goes towards meeting their base survival needs of food, shelter, transportation, utilities and clothes etc. When even fast food is rapidly becoming a luxury to increasing numbers of westerners. For many western working poors, their salaries don’t even cover their most basic of survival needs, so they need to turn to credit to bring forward future spending power to meet pressing immediate needs.

On the other hand, the average Chinese worker can be a lot less careful with their money and still have a respectable proportion of their pay left over at the end of the month that they can save.

What the west insist is a weakness of the Chinese model is actually a massive hidden strength.

In the event of a trade war when things get though, who is going to be able to absorb price shocks better, the average Chinese worker with savings equivalent to several months or even years worth of their salary, or the average western worker with barely any savings if they are lucky or several months to years of salary’s worth of debt if not?

The average western worker is only not rioting in the streets right now because of cheap Chinese imports giving them some economic relief and quality of life.

A massive proportion of western economic wealth and might is actually just illusionary shadow play and creative accounting increasing prices without generating any actual value.

You think when there are literal empty shelves and riots on the streets that you will be able to buy shit with your Apple and Amazon shares when Apple and Amazon have nothing but empty warehouses and back orders they cannot hope to meet owing to no more physical goods delivery from China?

China’s economy will also be hit hard, but it has the means of making actual useful physical goods that will always have intrinsic value.

China doesn’t want a full scale economic war not because it is remotely worried about loosing said economic war, but because it’s basically inevitable that such a full spectrum economic war will lead to a hot war as the west will have literally nothing left to loose at that point, since their ruling elites will die at the hands of mobs of their own subjects without a foreign war to redirect all their rage.
 

Blitzo

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China has changed and is better everyday, but you have not. Yes I always love my country. You still thinking how western world influenced the world. No one here thinks a thing about what western world thinks, especially, those who think they are westerner but not. You are old but have to learn that not think in terms of western perspective. The world has moved on.

You're posting a lot for someone who's only started actively posting despite being a member since 2006.

Chill out with the chest thumping a little or else the moderators will step in
 

xypher

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All China has to do is pass a policy that questions whites claims over the US. Can China do that or is too provocative for some? Maybe they'll wait a year when people forget why and then Americans can claim China is aggressive doing this for no reason.
Exactly. China should really start returning the same energy to Western countries, this will help with their diplomacy in the Global South as well. Folks need to understand that other countries don't make decisions purely based on hard numbers but make projections and pick sides based on PERCEPTION of hard power as well. If China is always seen as being afraid of retaliating, then no country is going to side with it as they will think that China is far weaker than the West - sure, they will trade and take money if that benefits them but the moment they're required to pick sides, they will flee.
 
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