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supersnoop

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Honestly I believe that if US wants a "war", at this point, it will go through the Philippines.

An attack on Taiwan by America is way more escalatory, and barring massive, unprecedented social changes in China, such a war will never end no matter how well America performs, it can only end in American forces being routed or nuclear annihilation.

Chinese aren't gonna give up their populated homes when they really well equipped with weapons and backed by the largest economy and industry in the world. In contrast, if a war over the Philippines grow costly enough, it is at least conceivable that China may retreat, as US did in Vietnam.

However Philippines is still a very weak country. In Asia, the only countries that are Ukraine level are Japan and NK, maybe SK. Everyone else is way weaker. And China itself is also far beyond Russia to the point where it's unclear Japan would survive a sustained air campaign, even if Japan's combat capability likely equals or slightly exceeds Ukraine's.

Supply lines in Asia are also much more difficult for America, every country in East Asia can be totally blockaded by China, and even Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia, while US can access them with sea routes that China wouldn't always have a physical ship presence in, China will still attrition any logistics attempt by sustained sea attacks.

I can see them crazy enough to instigate a war between China and the Philippines, but China itself wouldn't object to such a conflict either, they can bring Manila under control and start a new chapter in China's progression towards unipolar power.

A war will go through the Philippines? How would that look? Are you suggesting China invade the Philippines, because there is no way Philippines can legitimately threaten China.

The most modern fighter is the Korean FA-50 which is a converted trainer with limited range and small radar
Navy has zero destroyers
Army cannot be transported anywhere since it is an archipelago.

In theory, a single 055 would have enough firepower on it's own to wipe out most of their armed forces. Chinese Tom Clancy could write the book "DDG".

Someone suggested US and Taiwan could "donate" weapons. No, this isn't some Javelins or Bradleys. You would have to donate entire ships and dozens of aircraft which is simply impossible. You would not be able to hide the thousands of personnel to support such an effort.
 

daifo

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In recent time, we have seen many quotes from people in power including Yellen, Biden, Krugman, and thousands of twitter sockpockets/shills giving China economic advice and how China will collapse if it does not follow their advice.. meanwhile US debt interest payment is projected to be 40% of tax revenue by 2025 if Intrest rates are not cut.

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FriedButter

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In recent time, we have seen many quotes from people in power including Yellen, Biden, Krugman, and thousands of twitter sockpockets/shills giving China economic advice and how China will collapse if it does not follow their advice.. meanwhile US debt interest payment is projected to be 40% of tax revenue by 2025 if Intrest rates are not cut.

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Why did they even bother with the unrealistic 150 basis point cut projection. Doing that much cutting in 2 months is far more likely going to cause financial panic, return of massive inflation, and negative economic consequences.
 

Xiongmao

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I anticipate that there will be a number of initial negative shocks for China in a PH-China proxy war.

1) First, there will be the mother of all economic sanctions. The US will look at any proxy war with China as the greatest opportunity to kneecap China's economy. We should expect all kinds of sanctions. The Republican chicken hawks have already telegraphed to everyone their intention to nullify the debt owed to China. The US will attempt to seize Chinese USDs and assets in their banks. Kicking China out of SWIFT is definitely on the cards. All of this is not without grave consequences for the Americans, but they are not being led by smart people these days.

China will have to ride out the initial economic shocks. It'll be painful, it'll upset alot of Chinese, but this is when Chinese patriotism will shine through. This is the period where all those hanjians will start to show their faces. This will be a great opportunity to weed out the traitors. This is also an excellent opportunity to restructure the economy to make it much more war-resistant against the West. I believe that the CPC would have already learned much from the Ukraine War.

2) Second, there will be another great information war. I anticipate that the PLAN might suffer some minor setbacks during the initial phases. China had not been in war for decades already, so there will be some rustiness. Maybe a plane gets shot down, or a ship get hit. The anti-China media will be spare no effort to humiliate the PLAN and hype up the "brave Filipinos".

China will have to manage the image of the PLA, especially among the Chinese citizens. Just like in Russia, there should be severe punishments for Chinese citizens who insult the PLA in a time of war. Losses are inevitable, and all war is hell, even a righteous one. The PLA needs to focus on its job of defeating the enemy, and the last thing it needs are political distractions. Eventually the mistakes will lessen, and the fight will go even more their way.

3) The West will organize a general boycott and shaming of China. China shall be cancelled everywhere. In sports, in media, and in trade. We should expect bans for Chinese athletes in the Olympics and other Western-led sporting events. Some big brands might cancel commercial deals with China just like they did with Russia, so good riddance to them. China might get disinvited by several Western-organized forums. Anti-China countries might suspend entry for Chinese visas. Chinese-owned overseas assets might get confiscated by hostile governments. The West along with their lackeys will surely attempt to pass multiple UN condemnations of China. Basically it's gonna be another round of turbocharged Sinophobia racism, but worse than the one during the Covid years.

I believe that the Trump administration and Covid will have already toughened the Chinese to any further Sinophobia. Nothing much is gonna shock them anymore. So this negative setback should be the easiest to overcome. Some sporting and commercial events will be missed, but the nation always comes first.

4) This is speculative, but maybe the West will also attempt to organize a shadow blockade of China. They are likely to give the PH the weapons and the intelligence to strike at any Chinese civilian shipping that they can reach. They'll declare Chinese civilian vessels as "fair game", because they make and bend the rules. Western shipping firms will declare the SCS a conflict zone and therefore decline to provide shipping insurance. The anti-China countries might attempt to decouple as best they can, some might even go all the way to complete decoupling. That's gonna be their loss anyway.

This would be the time for China to activate its alternative trade routes built under the BRI program. China's trade network will have to be adjusted to reflect the new reality. It'll still hurt China's economy, but China can recover and still prosper once the adjustments are completed. China is the largest trading nation on earth, so anybody attempting to curtail is trade is gonna end up hurting the global economy, i.e.: themselves included.
If that is the price to be paid, then better let the Philippines have their islands, at least for now. Then retake them after 2050 when China's position as the most powerful country has been cemented.
 

daifo

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Why did they even bother with the unrealistic 150 basis point cut projection. Doing that much cutting in 2 months is far more likely going to cause financial panic, return of massive inflation, and negative economic consequences.

The chart is just for illustrating best case and worst case scenerio. I think some people wanted upto a 150 point cut in 2024 at one point which now looks to be a possible < 75 cut.
 

FriedButter

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If that is the price to be paid, then better let the Philippines have their islands, at least for now. Then retake them after 2050 when China's position as the most powerful country has been cemented.

Not going to happen. Their actions are being dictated by the US imperial machine. Showing any signs of hard restraint is only going to embolden them to push harder for a direct war with China. Just look at what they are doing in Ukraine for the first couple years. They made up a bunch of western redlines, then crossed their own redlines, and convinced themselves they were actually Russian redlines. Which they proceeded to see as Russian weakness and then doubled down everytime.
 

Randomuser

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Maybe I'm only selectively looking.

But it seems in the west, the elites hate Chinese while the normies hate Indians. Elites see Chinese as a threat to their hegemony while normies hate Indians because they seem them coming in masses and taking away their jobs.

Problem is the elites need to convince the normies to die for their interests. So they can spam all that crap against China but the masses are too busy hating on Indians. All it means is the elites are losing control of the media they are supposed to own.
 
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