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Well if you have been following the Ukraine War, the Anglo plan has always been to supply weapons to some dumb idiots who were willing to do the dirty work for them. The Taiwan and PH plan should also be similar. If there is a hot war between the PH and China. I anticipate that the Anglos, along with Japan, SK, India, and the DPP separatists in Taiwan might line up to "donate" weapons and cash to the PH to fight China. They wish to bleed the PLAN in anyway possible with their weapons in Filipino hands. Very likely, they might send in mercenaries, advisers, volunteers, and even rebadge their servicemen into Filipino uniforms to do the more sophisticated fighting. They definitely desire an opportunity to see their munitions, missiles and drones being used to hurt PLAN vessels, aircraft and manpower outside of a direct war with China.

That should be the cynical Anglo plan. But how it'll fare out in reality will be very different from Ukraine. Its primarily naval warfare instead of land warfare, the Filipinos are not Ukrainians, ASEAN is not NATO, and China is not Russia. This time, any blowback to the Anglos will really hurt.
Honestly I believe that if US wants a "war", at this point, it will go through the Philippines.

An attack on Taiwan by America is way more escalatory, and barring massive, unprecedented social changes in China, such a war will never end no matter how well America performs, it can only end in American forces being routed or nuclear annihilation.

Chinese aren't gonna give up their populated homes when they really well equipped with weapons and backed by the largest economy and industry in the world. In contrast, if a war over the Philippines grow costly enough, it is at least conceivable that China may retreat, as US did in Vietnam.

However Philippines is still a very weak country. In Asia, the only countries that are Ukraine level are Japan and NK, maybe SK. Everyone else is way weaker. And China itself is also far beyond Russia to the point where it's unclear Japan would survive a sustained air campaign, even if Japan's combat capability likely equals or slightly exceeds Ukraine's.

Supply lines in Asia are also much more difficult for America, every country in East Asia can be totally blockaded by China, and even Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia, while US can access them with sea routes that China wouldn't always have a physical ship presence in, China will still attrition any logistics attempt by sustained sea attacks.

I can see them crazy enough to instigate a war between China and the Philippines, but China itself wouldn't object to such a conflict either, they can bring Manila under control and start a new chapter in China's progression towards unipolar power.
 

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I wonder if these war planners bothered to account for nuclear warfare, cold war era fulda gap style?
Let’s not fall into the same quasi-racist nonsense that is dooming the Anglos.

Every race and people have equal innate capacity for learning and innovation. There are two main glass ceilings that prevent the vast majority from reaching their potential. They are vastly different, but are actually two sides of the same coin.

The first major obstacle is a lack resources. In this I mean resource at all levels of society from pre-birth nutritional inadequacies through poor to no primary and secondary education all the way to a lack of funding and cutting edge research facilities at universities and in industries. All of that is why is has been so hard for anyone to break the west’s stranglehold on high technology from a low base.

However, now that China has managed to breach that first glass ceiling, it has actually revealed a previously hidden second glass ceiling that is crippling the Anglos and which they are currently unable to breach - resource allocation.

The west’s worship of their new god the Market has meant that they have basically relinquished all attempts to manage and co-ordinate resource allocation at the nation state level as High Heresy.

The problem is that the new High Priests in charge of the new Church of the Holy Market doesn’t know shit about economics, or worse purposefully ignore the basic rules in order to personally profit.

The Market which the west so worships unquestionably only works when some frankly ridiculous preconditions are met. Impossibilities such as perfect knowledge, zero entry and exist costs, large number of sellers all making basically the same thing etc. So their perfect market only exists in theory. In reality the best you can get is a rough approximation. But even that approximation only works when you try to get as close as possible to those underlying assumptions and base requirements.

What inevitably happens when the government takes such a hands off approach is that monopolies start to emerge. Once a previously competitive company has managed to destroy or acquire all competitors, it stops innovating and starts price gouging its customers. Even where there is still multiple major players, usually they form cartels and price fix and limit competition. This capping of competition then unleashes nepotism and cronyism at all levels where people are parachuted into positions of high power because of who their mommies and daddies are instead of what they can do. These idiots then make idiot decisions wasting resources and time while also ruthlessly purging companies of all talent and competence to eliminate possible threats to their own undeserved positions. Basically a speed run of how bad Dynasties die.

This is a key reason why Chinese new entrants are so challenging to established western brands. The Chinese challengers are all veteran survivors of the most hyper competitive market in the world. So they needed to be extremely good to last long enough and grow big enough to go abroad. And once abroad they generally start to eat the lunches of all of the western local companies that have grown fat and complacent and weak.

This is why the western mega corps are playing their final trump card (potentially literally in Agent Orange wins again) - state capture. See Tiktoc as just the most recent and most obvious example. But the Americans have always played that dirty even against their own allies and servants like the Japanese and French.

Indeed, we can see that this rot isn’t actually a new thing either, as corporate America had to get American Government Daddy to come and castrate the Japanese for them because of how badly the Japanese were showing them up and eating their lunch back in the 80s, even before the Cold War ended.

This, more than anything, is a core reason why the west needs to fall for humanity to advance. Because the west as it is, simply will not allow anyone to do better than them even as they weaken and stagnate. The western elite will never voluntarily look to do better themselves and will only obsess about keeping everyone else down worse then themselves so that they can cling to their last shred of legitimacy by saying yeah sure things are fucked here at home, but it’s worse everywhere else, so such up, be grateful and keep voting for me!
The thing is, look at how the american MSM reported this blatant theft of IP and research; the Stanford university team admitted and confessed to the theft but the weasel words of the anglo presstitute said they 'apologise over claims they copied' as if to say they're only saying sorry to placate the impending lawsuit and evidence and revelation that much of anglo americna research is theft and copycat stealing. Once again, that myth of white supremacy citing white europeans being humanity's only source of innovation is laid to be the sort of BS religious cult indoctrination it really is.

I anticipate that there will be a number of initial negative shocks for China in a PH-China proxy war.

1) First, there will be the mother of all economic sanctions. The US will look at any proxy war with China as the greatest opportunity to kneecap China's economy. We should expect all kinds of sanctions. The Republican chicken hawks have already telegraphed to everyone their intention to nullify the debt owed to China. The US will attempt to seize Chinese USDs and assets in their banks. Kicking China out of SWIFT is definitely on the cards. All of this is not without grave consequences for the Americans, but they are not being led by smart people these days.

China will have to ride out the initial economic shocks. It'll be painful, it'll upset alot of Chinese, but this is when Chinese patriotism will shine through. This is the period where all those hanjians will start to show their faces. This will be a great opportunity to weed out the traitors. This is also an excellent opportunity to restructure the economy to make it much more war-resistant against the West. I believe that the CPC would have already learned much from the Ukraine War.

2) Second, there will be another great information war. I anticipate that the PLAN might suffer some minor setbacks during the initial phases. China had not been in war for decades already, so there will be some rustiness. Maybe a plane gets shot down, or a ship get hit. The anti-China media will be spare no effort to humiliate the PLAN and hype up the "brave Filipinos".

China will have to manage the image of the PLA, especially among the Chinese citizens. Just like in Russia, there should be severe punishments for Chinese citizens who insult the PLA in a time of war. Losses are inevitable, and all war is hell, even a righteous one. The PLA needs to focus on its job of defeating the enemy, and the last thing it needs are political distractions. Eventually the mistakes will lessen, and the fight will go even more their way.

3) The West will organize a general boycott and shaming of China. China shall be cancelled everywhere. In sports, in media, and in trade. We should expect bans for Chinese athletes in the Olympics and other Western-led sporting events. Some big brands might cancel commercial deals with China just like they did with Russia, so good riddance to them. China might get disinvited by several Western-organized forums. Anti-China countries might suspend entry for Chinese visas. Chinese-owned overseas assets might get confiscated by hostile governments. The West along with their lackeys will surely attempt to pass multiple UN condemnations of China. Basically it's gonna be another round of turbocharged Sinophobia racism, but worse than the one during the Covid years.

I believe that the Trump administration and Covid will have already toughened the Chinese to any further Sinophobia. Nothing much is gonna shock them anymore. So this negative setback should be the easiest to overcome. Some sporting and commercial events will be missed, but the nation always comes first.

4) This is speculative, but maybe the West will also attempt to organize a shadow blockade of China. They are likely to give the PH the weapons and the intelligence to strike at any Chinese civilian shipping that they can reach. They'll declare Chinese civilian vessels as "fair game", because they make and bend the rules. Western shipping firms will declare the SCS a conflict zone and therefore decline to provide shipping insurance. The anti-China countries might attempt to decouple as best they can, some might even go all the way to complete decoupling. That's gonna be their loss anyway.

This would be the time for China to activate its alternative trade routes built under the BRI program. China's trade network will have to be adjusted to reflect the new reality. It'll still hurt China's economy, but China can recover and still prosper once the adjustments are completed. China is the largest trading nation on earth, so anybody attempting to curtail is trade is gonna end up hurting the global economy, i.e.: themselves included.
This war cannot be a limited war where the Five Eyes can expect not to have their own lands devastated whilst China and Russia suffer damages to their own people and infrastructure. The Anglos must suffer as well because they have never suffered from the wars they have instigated upon others and this behaviour is corrupting them. Worse, it is impeding humanity's progress to become a spacefaring civilisation.
 

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I wonder if these war planners bothered to account for nuclear warfare, cold war era fulda gap style?
It's almost certain that an American attack on Taiwan will be met not just with local defenses being activated against US, but with a heavily Chinese backed Russian all out attack on Europe, for the reason that the PLA ground force won't be used that much in Asia.

Politically speaking, if US invades Chinese home territory, NATO countries do not disband from NATO and join China in condemning/sanctioning America, they are themselves guilty parties. China has potential to draft millions of soldiers, so do Russia, all of them can be well equipped.

A war over Taiwan by US and Japan is ww3, it a renewed attempt by the descendants of the Axis to take their claims again. And as in the last war, marching through western Europe is the only way to end the war on at least one of the fronts.
 

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Honestly I believe that if US wants a "war", at this point, it will go through the Philippines.

An attack on Taiwan by America is way more escalatory, and barring massive, unprecedented social changes in China, such a war will never end no matter how well America performs, it can only end in American forces being routed or nuclear annihilation.

Chinese aren't gonna give up their populated homes when they really wel equipped with weapons and backed by the largest economy and industry in the world. In contrast, if a war over the Philippines grow costly enough, it is at least conceivable that China may retreat, as US did in Vietnam.

However Philippines is still a very weak country. In Asia, the only countries that are Ukraine level are Japan and NK, maybe SK. Everyone else is way weaker. And China itself is also far beyond Russia to the point where it's unclear Japan would survive a sustained air campaign, even if Japan's combat capability likely equals or slightly exceeds Ukraine's.

Supply lines in Asia are also much more difficult for America, every country in East Asia can be totally blockaded by China, and even Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia, while US can access them with sea routes that China wouldn't always have a physical ship presence in, China will still attrition any logistics attempt by sustained sea attacks.

I can see them crazy enough to instigate a war between China and the Philippines, but China itself wouldn't object to such a conflict either, they can bring Manila under control and start a new chapter in China's progression towards unipolar power.
If the likes of OpenAI and Microsoft really have whale-sized AGI in the bag as it were, then why wouldn't they simply play it safe and at least wait until the Arizona TSMC and other advanced semiconductor manufacturing have been fully onshored or reshored back to U.S. soil before doing the provocation with the Philippines and Taiwan? It just seems like they're not fully confident in all of this and so it's like trying to do everything all at once and see what sticks and in reality it negates each other because once a hot war happens between the United States and China, inevitably there will be a rug pull just due to the circumstances in and of itself from going kinetic and so at the very minimum without China having to do anything intentional, you're going to see 5,000 percent hyperinflation back into U.S. homeland and as a result either civil war, mass riots and chaos, and or a shutdown and martial law on a scale never before seen not even doing COVID or some sort of combination of all of the above in order to have any chance or any hope of making it work and even then the odds are not good. So I'm not sure what the people in charge are thinking because they're either too greedy or or not confident enough but through these contradictory actions it just goes to show that there's not a coherent plan as it were and they're just trying to see what sticks.
 

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Now, I'm not a religious person or anything, but my parents, well, when I grew up, my parents went to a so-called non-denominational church in the North Texas area, which was originally started by some Chinese guy who went to Taiwan and then started his own church and then moved to California back in the 1960s. Anyway, long story short, our church, or their church, I should say, has basically a branch in every major U.S. town that I know of. For example, I have one in Irving, there's one in Anaheim, California, and there's one in Arlington. And recently, in just the last couple weeks, and this is news to me, but apparently the church, each branch or each town has taken on at least one or two, how should I put this, essentially, refugees from the Ukraine. So, regardless of what I read in the mainstream media news, the facts on the ground is, this Ukraine war isn't going the way that the U.S. originally anticipated, and while Ukraine sure was just a proxy, you know, having churches take up refugees sure as heck isn't a sign that Ukraine won this war.
 

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This capping of competition then unleashes nepotism and cronyism at all levels where people are parachuted into positions of high power because of who their mommies and daddies are instead of what they can do. These idiots then make idiot decisions wasting resources and time while also ruthlessly purging companies of all talent and competence to eliminate possible threats to their own undeserved positions. Basically a speed run of how bad Dynasties die.
I propose the term "getting Boeinged" for this phenomenon.

"Hey, what happened to American industry?"
"It got Boeinged."
 

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How's that conscription wave throughout NATO countries going when the european people know the anglo zionists would rather sacrifice native european gentiles before the pure white anglo zionist lives even so much as get a whiff of the cordite at the front?

Becuase it is evident the Atlanticists are pushing for war, a three front war, like a modern Schlieffen Plan.

And Australia needs cannon fodder soon:
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Evidently, the Arabs decided to invest in China after all despite being warned against doing so by the Anglo Zionists. As America declines, middling countries are gonna hedge, and they better start hedging fast. Looking at you, Japan and south korea.
 

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look at the names, Garg is an Indian surname I believe, if so, this is but one of many many iterations of Indo-European stealing and plagiarising from Chinese. it’s really no different to anglos appointing Indians as middle management because they’re afraid of Asian workers, only to have the Indian import all of his tribe into the company and living off the work of the Asian slash white workers.

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I’m now starting to question what else have the Anglo Americans stolen? Just how much of that “groundbreaking research” and “innovation” coming from the Anglo Atlanticist west was really from native research?
 
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look at the names, Garg is an Indian surname I believe, if so, this is but one of many many iterations of Indo-European stealing and plagiarising from Chinese. it’s really no different to anglos appointing Indians as middle management because they’re afraid of Asian workers, only to have the Indian import all of his tribe into the company and living off the work of the Asian slash white workers.
The most telling part was when he tried to throw the third guy (Mustafa - muslim?) under the bus
 

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look at the names, Garg is an Indian surname I believe, if so, this is but one of many many iterations of Indo-European stealing and plagiarising from Chinese. it’s really no different to anglos appointing Indians as middle management because they’re afraid of Asian workers, only to have the Indian import all of his tribe into the company and living off the work of the Asian slash white workers.

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I’m now starting to question what else have the Anglo Americans stolen? Just how much of that “groundbreaking research” and “innovation” coming from the Anglo Atlanticist west was really from native research?
Llama anything is meta/Facebook baseline, so the rationale is they didnt stole because it was China itself that based off of US made LLM in the first place...
 
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