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tokenanalyst said:
Like I said before, is this lack of respect by these stooges that is making China accelerate their nuclear programs even collaborating with Russia and one day under Western pressure China will build nuclear weapons at an industrial scale, at a cheaper price than Western powers can afford. For every nuke they will point to China they will have two pointed at them.
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This reminds me of a conversation a few years back in this forum arguing that "low" yield or tactical nukes are not the same as using strategic nukes and don't give the country attacked the right to nuclear retaliation. Who says...? This is the kind of bull mumbo-jumbo Westerners think up because a nuke is a nuke and they don't want China to retaliate with nukes. What are they going to do when China makes thousands of low-yield nukes in response? Americans believe they get to nuke a Chinese city if China conventionally sinks one of their aircraft carriers. Yet somehow China is not allowed to respond in kind to a nuclear attack...? Frankly it's time the West starts to fear a nuclear holocaust again. If they're talking about winning a nuclear war or thinking China is too scared to fight a war, the West needs to know they'll suffer the consequences.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
This reminds me of a conversation a few years back in this forum arguing that "low" yield or tactical nukes are not the same as using strategic nukes and don't give the country attacked the right to nuclear retaliation. Who says...? This is the kind of bull mumbo-jumbo Westerners think up because a nuke is a nuke and they don't want China to retaliate with nukes. What are they going to do when China makes thousands of low-yield nukes in response? Americans believe they get to nuke a Chinese city if China conventionally sinks one of their aircraft carriers. Yet somehow China is not allowed to respond in kind to a nuclear attack...? Frankly it's time the West starts to fear a nuclear holocaust again. If they're talking about winning a nuclear war or thinking China is too scared to fight a war, the West needs to know they'll suffer the consequences.
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Considering how much the US has generally underestimated China, and then being shocked how the Chinese were able to do x y z, the real danger here would be the US acting on false intelligence of Chinese nuclear capabilities. Of course, China should reply in kind, but I fear the Americans may be deluded enough to have convinced themselves that China cannot reciprocate equally (or in greater proportion).
 
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You know, it is really odd reading the news nowadays.

Here we have a bunch of countries, China being one of them, making dealings, collaborating with each other, joining various organizations to further their development, and making the most of diplomacy which enables all of the above.

Then, when we read the Western media about Western countries, then it is war, blood, and more potential wars.

What a choice, eh?

It has become literally a choice between war and peace.

Guess which side most countries and people will choose?

How did the West, in particular America, box itself in like that?

:oops:


As for China, on how it should handle such a situation, seems kind of clear, despite the over the top rhetoric.

Just stay firm and be equally tough on the Americans.

Everyone else, just keep doing what China is doing, making diplomatic inroads.

In the year 2024, all the American politicians can do is talk about another war.

:cool:
 
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AssassinsMace said:
This reminds me of a conversation a few years back in this forum arguing that "low" yield or tactical nukes are not the same as using strategic nukes and don't give the country attacked the right to nuclear retaliation. Who says...? This is the kind of bull mumbo-jumbo Westerners think up because a nuke is a nuke and they don't want China to retaliate with nukes. What are they going to do when China makes thousands of low-yield nukes in response? Americans believe they get to nuke a Chinese city if China conventionally sinks one of their aircraft carriers. Yet somehow China is not allowed to respond in kind to a nuclear attack...? Frankly it's time the West starts to fear a nuclear holocaust again. If they're talking about winning a nuclear war or thinking China is too scared to fight a war, the West needs to know they'll suffer the consequences.
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What counts as a "low yield" in terms retaliation? If the US drop a 20 Kt nuke over a Chinese port will that be a "low yield" tactical attack that doesn't deserve retaliation? Then if China drop a 40 Kt nuke over a Hawaiian port does that give the US freedom to use 80 Kt nukes over Chinese military targets? After that, does China also have the freedom to drop 120 Kt nukes over US military targets? Is bombing "tactical cities" with megaton nukes a valid target? There are even rules in nuclear war?
 
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It's really only the US Macron is talking about being independent from. Europe wants to sell to China and it's the US that is telling allies who they can or cannot sell to not China. The French don't want their sugar daddy to be angry with them if they were singled out. France's colonial legacy is coming back to haunt them now. The Global South is revolting from the West. Being independent from China doesn't change that.
 
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tokenanalyst said:
What counts as a "low yield" in terms retaliation? If the US drop a 20 Kt nuke over a Chinese port will that be a "low yield" tactical attack that doesn't deserve retaliation? Then if China drop a 40 Kt nuke over a Hawaiian port does that give the US freedom to use 80 Kt nukes over Chinese military targets? After that, does China also have the freedom to drop 120 Kt nukes over US military targets? Is bombing "tactical cities" with megaton nukes a valid target? There are even rules in nuclear war?
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The US thought China's 400 nukes was its limit on how many they can produce. That's when Americans started laughing and China saw that 400 nukes wasn't seen as a deterrence. Now China is making a thousand more nukes and the US is shitting in their skirts. The US is now making the same mistake over "low" yield nukes. Somehow they think China is not able to respond...? The US is setting the bad precedence that "low" yield nukes are okay to use which means China can do the same. And Americans will cry foul because that's not what they expected when they thought they were being clever over the use of "low" yield nukes like China couldn't respond in kind to that.
 
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