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Bellum_Romanum

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Temstar said:
No I don't have any separatist leanings, whatever gave you that idea?

People have been wanting to carve out their own slice of China since time immemorial, there's even a relatively successful one over in Taiwan as we speak. Generally though it's one thing to say "the emperor is doing a bad job, signs from the heavens say he's lost the mandate of heaven, follow me and rise up and we'll overthrow him and create another dynasty" vs "we'll split apart China and create a new country over this part of the land".

Chinese people will support the first case if the going is hard, since your intention isn't against China herself but the ruling dynasty. In modern day terminology this type of movement once created would be called "武装割据政权". Wei, Shu, Han from Three Kingdoms, Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and ROC of today are all examples of 武装割据政权. A critically important aspect of legitimacy for a 武装割据政权 is you must claim your eventual goal is to reunify China in totality under your rule. If you win you'll become the new dynasty, if you lose you become bandits. But Chinese people won't begrudge you for trying, the worst they'll do is call you a 枭雄 (villainous hero) as we do for people like Cao Cao. If multiple such 武装割据政权 fight it out over a divided period in Chinese history people would even write epic novels about it later on and refer to the period as one of the many warring state periods in Chinese history.

Chinese people would be very much against the second type. When a 武装割据政权 gives up the goal (or never had to start with) of reunifying China under its banner than this movement transitions to a "伪政权". Examples of 伪政权 are Wang Jingwei regime, Manchukuo and if ROC of today where to transition to a Republic of Taiwan. 伪政权 are universally hated by Chinese.

This trend in Chinese thinking is called 大一统思想 and is fundamental in Chinese identity, has been since the days of Qinshihuang if not Zhou Dynasty. It's very unlikely to go away.

So these separatist that west support would never mount to anything, even if China were in a warring state period because they are fundamentally 伪政权 and not 武装割据政权. It's also why even today ROC dare not change their constitution to make themselves "ROT", even though their claim to wanting to reunite China under Three Principles of the People is lip service at best.
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@Temstar I wasn't at all making an implication both implicit or explicit that you are or have separatist leanings. I tagged you in my post to gain your invaluable insights to this issue that's all. My apologies for making it seem like I was doing the opposite.

I tagged Chongqing and he's the one I feel who maybe harbour some separatist inclinations based on my cursory readings of his posts.
 
AssassinsMace

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Of course Israel plays with the truth about intercepts just like they hide to this day of their most advanced Sa’ar 5 being hit a decade ago by an anti-ship missile.

One thing I noticed this time during Iran’s attack is watching the warheads coming down then small explosions after they pass by. Before they would call those little explosions intercepts but they never talk about proximity fuses when first the interceptor explodes to increase the chances of interception and then if the interceptor misses, it self-destructs to prevent collateral damage before the interceptor hits ground after it misses. They count proximity fuses detonations as hits when it’s a question.
 
Temstar

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Technically speaking until the civil war is 100% resolved even PRC of today should be classified as a 武装割据政权, as they do over in Taiwan still calling CPC “共匪” even to this day. Hence by the same process if CPC gives up the claim to Taiwan that would then change the nature of PRC from 武装割据政权 to 伪政权 and destroy CPC's legitimacy to rule.

(Which is why you shouldn't be too upset if you see Taiwanese call PRC/CPC 共匪 because that means they see PRC as another player in the current warring state period. And shit talking your opponent in a warring state period is par for the course)

Generally speaking towards the end of a warring state period when one of the state becomes dominant and looks like they are set to win and become the new dynasty the remaining challengers are expected to either ride into a glorious last stand, or give up and submit, as Shu did. Dragging it out is considered bad form. I've actually heard a Taiwanese professor praise Liu Shan for what he did instead of shit on him as people have done for over a thousand years. The reasoning being citizens of Shu are extremely ideologically hardened to fight Wei to the end and if Liu Shan wished he could drag it out for decades at the enormous cost to both Shu and Wei lives, even though at the end Wei will still win. By giving up he made himself look like a coward and butt of jokes for all time but he saved many lives in the process.

Once a winner emerges from a warring state period one of the thing expected of a good winner is to honour members of the ruling family from the previous dynasty and not harm them. They are also expected to give final accounting on all the good and bad of the previous dynasty and if the previous dynasty is a barbarian one the new emperor gets the final word to say if they should be recognised as a real Chinese dynasty or not. Only one person can say if Yuan is a Chinese dynasty or not and that's Zhu Yuanzhang and he gave his blessing and said they are.

Some of the ways that CPC honour such historical tradition is for example not harming Puyi even though he was also the head of a 伪政权. Also although KMT was defeated on mainland the reformed half of KMT were allowed to continue to exist to today as Revolutionary Committee of the Chinese Kuomintang.
 
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are positioning themselves much more sharply against China, Germany has an important role to play," he said, adding that Germany was "in a position of strength".
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:rolleyes:

In the West, the biggest economy is printing money, and the rest of them are in recession.

If that is strength, then we can include the military, where they have run out of ammo to give to Zelensky.

Illusions of grandeur.

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ChongqingHotPot92

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So he could get some @ChongqingHotPot92
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With local level spiciness please! Not the WeiLa (low level spiciness) demanded by tourists. Also, Chongqing people traditionally prefer "old pots" (level over soups eaten by others pass down to new customers, sometimes lasting months) over new broth. I say let this German Junker try a pot dating back to 92.
 
Jono

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Hogwash. It is simply the schedule he has.



There are no reasons to "insult" him, China is not known to do diplomacy this way.
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second that. Chancellor Scholz is invited by Premier Li to visit China, so there is absolutely no reason to belittle him in any form or mannerism. Besides, despite his weakling image, he hasn't done China any actual harm that I know of, at least not yet. China is not famous for openly insulting any head of state, even hostile ones.
looks to me Chancellor Scholz has come to make pragmatic business deals, notice how his arrogant and ignorant foreign minister has not been invited to come along! perhaps the good chancellor also wants to persuade President Xi to convince President Putin to resume the natural gas supply to Germany, and at a big discount please?? haaahhhaa, that would be a sight to behold.
 
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Scholz has arrived in China, and he has received a full-blown welcome ceremony by Mr. Xi himself. Such an important event for China at this stage
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Just my personal take on it, I would not read too much into it, who mets Scholz in a city far away from Beijing.

This is a state visit, Scholz will met everyone in the capital.

The good thing about this trip, is that EU woman did not tag along, like how she try to hijack Marcon's state visit a few months ago.

Who knows, this trip is three days in length, so there is still a window for her appearance.

:oops:
 
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German transport minister threatens public with ‘indefinite driving bans’​

German Transport Minister Volker Wissing has warned that he may forbid citizens from driving on weekends if reforms aren’t made to a controversial climate law. Even Germany’s Federal Environmental Agency considers such a move “unnecessary” and “frightening.”

In a letter to the chief lawmakers of Germany’s ruling coalition on Thursday, Wissing warned that the government may have to put in place a drastic “action program” if the 2019 Climate Protection Act is not amended by July.

Such a program could include “comprehensive and indefinite driving bans on Saturdays and Sundays,” Wissing said.

Passed by former Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government, the Climate Protection Act mandates a 65% reduction in CO2 emissions across the entire German economy by 2030, and complete carbon neutrality by 2045. The act also sets maximum annual emissions levels for each sector of the economy – such as transportation – and requires the government to implement an “action program” if any sector exceeds this limit.

Some members of Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s coalition, such as Wissing, want to pass an amendment that would impose an overall emissions limit on the country and allow the government to decide which sectors to cut to achieve this goal. However, the Greens have blocked any attempt to amend the act thus far, as such a move would essentially dilute the power of the act.

Detlaf Muller, a senior lawmaker from Scholz’s Social Democrats, accused Wissing of needlessly stoking fear.

“Scaremongering with far-fetched proposals won’t help climate protection in the transport sector at all, quite the contrary,” he told the Rheinische Post on Friday. “The proposal does not further our common goal of reducing CO2 emissions, but [causes] unnecessary uncertainty for people in our country.”

The Greens’ parliamentary group leader, Julia Verlinden, also downplayed Wissing’s warning, telling the German Press Agency that a driving ban would be unnecessary if the minister imposed a speed limit on Germany’s famously unrestricted Autobahn.

Germany’s Federal Environmental Agency is also in favor of speed limits. “Of course we don’t need driving bans. Nobody is even discussing such a ban; this is frightening people for no reason,” agency chief Dirk Messner told Zeit on Friday.
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Such a program could include “comprehensive and indefinite driving bans on Saturdays and Sundays,” Wissing said.
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