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Overbom

Brigadier
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alfreddango said:
the way I see it, chinese administrators are more interested in finding a deal, I'd be very surprised if they let it just burn instead of selling it to an american company
if it just switches owners, users will only be mildly inconvenienced
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I am sure that Bytedance CEO would love to sell TikTok to appease the US, but unfortunately for him (+ his billionaire buddies), CPC is in charge. And for the CPC, no way in hell it would agree to sell TikTok under duress.

There are actually two big issues involved here:

First is that there is a non-US propaganda controlled social media platform in the West available to the public. US was half-ok (begrudgingly after China fend them off the first time), but after the Israel war, it is now 100% intolerable to the US elites because it showcased how they are losing the public opinion battle

Secondly, and more importantly, the US succeeding in that theft (that's what it is), would mean that Chinese enterprises are now in the chopping block for Western countries to steal from them. This is absolutely impossible for China to tolerate. Imagine all these BRI projects. Now imagine the West going to all these countries saying "you can steal Chinese developed assets". It may sound far-fetched, but that's the inevitable end-point of allowing theft of your assets.

So, China has to fight, and fight hard. If the US wants to block TikTok from operating there, that's ok. They are sovereign country and they are allowed to give or forbid access (btw nobody cares about WTO or laws or whatever). What's not ok, is the US stealing TikTok. Bytedance would retreat and indeed do it, I am 100% sure about it. But fortunately CPC will not allow it. Xi knows how to pick his battles, and this one is definetely one of them if that Bytedance CEO is deluded enough to bow to the US
 
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henrik

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Overbom said:
I am sure that Bytedance CEO would love to sell TikTok to appease the US, but unfortunately for him (+ his billionaire buddies), CPC is in charge. And for the CPC, no way in hell it would agree to sell TikTok under duress.

There are actually two big issues involved here:

First is that there is a non-US propaganda controlled social media platform in the West available to the public. US was half-ok (begrudgingly after China fend them off the first time), but after the Israel war, it is now 100% intolerable to the US elites because it showcased how they are losing the public opinion battle

Secondly, and more importantly, the US succeeding in that theft (that's what it is), would mean that Chinese enterprises are now in the chopping block for Western countries to steal from them. This is absolutely impossible for China to tolerate. Imagine all these BRI projects. Now imagine the West going to all these countries saying "you can steal Chinese developed assets". It may sound far-fetched, but that's the inevitable end-point of allowing theft of your assets.

So, China has to fight, and fight hard. If the US wants to block TikTok from operating there, that's ok. They are sovereign country and they are allowed to give or forbid access (btw nobody cares about WTO or laws or whatever). What's not ok, is the US stealing TikTok. Bytedance would retreat and indeed do it, I am 100% sure about it. But fortunately CPC will not allow it. Xi knows how to pick his battles, and this one is definetely one of them if that Bytedance CEO is deluded enough to bow to the US
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How much are they willing to pay for tiktok, as it is clearly more valuable than nvidia. They will need to pay US$3 trillion, and more importantly they need to pay in RMB instead.
 
FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Overbom said:
I am sure that Bytedance CEO would love to sell TikTok to appease the US, but unfortunately for him (+ his billionaire buddies), CPC is in charge. And for the CPC, no way in hell it would agree to sell TikTok under duress.

There are actually two big issues involved here:

First is that there is a non-US propaganda controlled social media platform in the West available to the public. US was half-ok (begrudgingly after China fend them off the first time), but after the Israel war, it is now 100% intolerable to the US elites because it showcased how they are losing the public opinion battle

Secondly, and more importantly, the US succeeding in that theft (that's what it is), would mean that Chinese enterprises are now in the chopping block for Western countries to steal from them. This is absolutely impossible for China to tolerate. Imagine all these BRI projects. Now imagine the West going to all these countries saying "you can steal Chinese developed assets". It may sound far-fetched, but that's the inevitable end-point of allowing theft of your assets.

So, China has to fight, and fight hard. If the US wants to block TikTok from operating there, that's ok. They are sovereign country and they are allowed to give or forbid access (btw nobody cares about WTO or laws or whatever). What's not ok, is the US stealing TikTok. Bytedance would retreat and indeed do it, I am 100% sure about it. But fortunately CPC will not allow it. Xi knows how to pick his battles, and this one is definetely one of them if that Bytedance CEO is deluded enough to bow to the US
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even if TikTok is banned from App stores, there's browser TikTok that can be upgraded to almost a full app experience.
 
horse

horse

Colonel
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Overbom said:
"Little Marco sit down and don't stir up more trouble for me. I already have enough on my plate with Ukraine, Israel and the Houthi. If you dare to make new trouble in SCS, you are on your own. Got it? For now just pretend you make up with the Chinese and as soon as we are done with our issues, we will start again our SCS agenda."

Calls Xi:
"Yes? Comrade Xi, actually Philippinos have Chinese heritage and blood, and tendencies for communism! We are all one family, let's not make things difficult between us, we are brothers after all. And about these SCS incidents, just some low-level officials acting without permission, I will reprimand them immediately! I promise it won't happen again"


Only Philippines think they are so smart and that Chinese are so stupid, that they fall for this crap. If Xi didn't get fooled on that magnificent Philippines' act (that fooled a lot of people here) with Duterte, ain't no way in hell he believes whatever bs Little Marco is saying
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I do not think Marcos Jr is running the whole show.

The military is probably doing a lot of this stuff off script.

I got no proof of course.

It is a little strange an issue this small, is being hyped up like this.
 
plawolf

plawolf

Lieutenant General
AssassinsMace said:
Yeah and like I’ve said, sometimes the only way you can communicate with someone is to speak in their own language. Sino/US relations are at their worst since the darkest days of the Cold War. Since Chinese shun confrontation so much, it ain’t some Sun Tzusian move on the Chinese part and this is exactly where China wants the US where the majority of Americans see China as the enemy. A lot of China’s problems could have been mitigated if they spoke in the US’s language, i.e. George Floyd with Blinken. Instead Westerners think they’re the good guys without a thought because no one tells them otherwise therefore think they can lord over the world. It’s the West that should be put on the defensive.
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If you believe this, then you are fundamentally misunderstanding the nature and cause of the frictions and tensions between China and America.

America cannot and will not tolerate anyone strong enough to resist their domination, and especially not from the ‘inferior coloured sub-human’ races. It’s as simple as that.

Just look at how the Americans so thoroughly castrated the Japanese and destroyed their national spirit that they are now literally a dying race when their economy took off, despite them not only ‘speaking the right way’ to the Americans but also being the living embodiment of what the western approved Asian shield be: pathetically obsequiously white-worshipping self-loathing bootlickers.

The EU is allowed to exist because it is white and also because it is so thoroughly compromised from within by US agents and assets, that America has enough control over it that it never needs to worry about it much, as evidenced by how easily America harvested them to minimise its own economic pain in the wake of the fallout from the Russian sanctions blowback.

Speaking of the Russians, just look at how America just cannot leave them alone even though they lost the Cold War and are no longer any real threat to American power. And the Russians are white.

No amount of mere words will ever be enough to get the Americans to change their ways. The only language the Americans truly understand and respect is the language of power and strength. This is the primary reason they have not yet invented a pretext to start the Opium Wars 2.0 against China.

The greatest question of our time will be whether the deterrence power from China’s growing hard power will be enough to help the Americans to overcome their many insecurities and pathologies to accept China’s peaceful rise as a peer if not equal.

If they can, then the world will avert disaster and grow more prosperous, diverse and just. If they cannot, then I fear we are all to suffer some dark and terrible times ahead.
 
TK3600

TK3600

Major
Registered Member
plawolf said:
If you believe this, then you are fundamentally misunderstanding the nature and cause of the frictions and tensions between China and America.

America cannot and will not tolerate anyone strong enough to resist their domination, and especially not from the ‘inferior coloured sub-human’ races. It’s as simple as that.

Just look at how the Americans so thoroughly castrated the Japanese and destroyed their national spirit that they are now literally a dying race when their economy took off, despite them not only ‘speaking the right way’ to the Americans but also being the living embodiment of what the western approved Asian shield be: pathetically obsequiously white-worshipping self-loathing bootlickers.

The EU is allowed to exist because it is white and also because it is so thoroughly compromised from within by US agents and assets, that America has enough control over it that it never needs to worry about it much, as evidenced by how easily America harvested them to minimise its own economic pain in the wake of the fallout from the Russian sanctions blowback.

Speaking of the Russians, just look at how America just cannot leave them alone even though they lost the Cold War and are no longer any real threat to American power. And the Russians are white.

No amount of mere words will ever be enough to get the Americans to change their ways. The only language the Americans truly understand and respect is the language of power and strength. This is the primary reason they have not yet invented a pretext to start the Opium Wars 2.0 against China.

The greatest question of our time will be whether the deterrence power from China’s growing hard power will be enough to help the Americans to overcome their many insecurities and pathologies to accept China’s peaceful rise as a peer if not equal.

If they can, then the world will avert disaster and grow more prosperous, diverse and just. If they cannot, then I fear we are all to suffer some dark and terrible times ahead.
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I am of opinion at certain point a war is benefitial to China. Say 2035. It is not a matter of hard power disparity. It is a matter of attitude. British has not lost a major war in the past hundred years, so it still act smug despite being weak as shit. By 2035 US will be weak as shit relatively, but rest assured their confidence on China will not waver even when country is falling apart. If you want these Chihuahua stop making noise the correct response is to kick it, not just being stronger. Same reason by all measure of hardpower Taiwan and South Korea, Japan are insignificant, but still act smug around China. Good thing for them, they dont need to be attacked. A show of force on weakened 2035 US is enough.
 
horse

horse

Colonel
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FairAndUnbiased said:
even if TikTok is banned from App stores, there's browser TikTok that can be upgraded to almost a full app experience.
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That is something I wonder about.

What if they restrict the distribution of TikTok but do not ban it, and ByteDance refuses to sell?

That would be an app, one of the most popular ones, completely existing outside of the current cell phone tech ecosystem in the US.

That does not sound like a good idea.

Anything can happen next.

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Overbom

Brigadier
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FairAndUnbiased said:
even if TikTok is banned from App stores, there's browser TikTok that can be upgraded to almost a full app experience.
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Nope. Still blocked. Great Firewall of America is slowly but surely coming
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How would a ban work? If the bill passes the Senate and is signed into law by President Joe Biden, ByteDance will have six months to sell TikTok to a non-Chinese company or it will be removed from app stores.
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Web access would be blocked in the US.
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The law would work by imposing civil penalties on app stores such as Apple’s App Store and Google Play if they distribute or update TikTok. Internet service providers would be compelled to block access to TikTok on the web.
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