Can you guys please stop this back and forth on the last 2 pages? Fair arguments all around, but in my experience things are never as black and white as each person makes it out to be with things eventually resting in a grey area.
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Let me see if I understand your logic; China will capture 50% of the global GDP, while the US can capture the other 50% but it is somehow China's loss because it only has captured 50% of GDP but US will win because it will capture the other 50%. Brilliant.
30 years from now the picture will be quite different.
Western markets will represent proportionally less and less of the world economy moving forward - the highest growth rate and growth potential is in non western markets.
Don't bet on a snapshot of today and assume it will forever, bet on growth
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@HereToSeePics Your post was not written in red, blue or bold, leading me to believe that it was written as a member rather than with moderator authority. If this is incorrect, then the posts written after yours should be deleted.
No, it's not enough. The US is too weak to challenge China technologically one-on-one. If the US issued the challenge and all other countries fell out saying they will continue to do business and share tech with China regardless of America's desires, it would make China feel that it is in a safe place and can rely on others. The Western alliance is needed to show Chinese people we must fight for our survival and only this urgency can truly bring out China's innovative potential.
It's not innovating like it can be. That's what's happening. Nothing is important compared to technological innovation. If it's America's wish-dream to have a paralyzed EU laying on its lap occassionally vomitting some food for America to eat as it takes on China by itself, then it has very severely overestimated its own capabilities.
LOLOL Look at Russia's military manufacturing picking up pace, drone output increasing, taking back more territory, meanwhile Ukraine's down to 17 year olds and women at the front lines. But sure, listen to Western propaganda publishing articles about some Russian soldier crying while calling his mom. That's the big picture, right?
Like I said, the more Russia fights, the stronger it gets. Russia's not fully itself yet, but it's much better than it was 6 months to a year ago and Ukraine's a lot worse. Western commitment is a lot worse. This is the tide just beginning to turn for Russia.
If I were any part Russian, I'd be fighting for my country now. What are you doing?
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Both positions need to realise how this is all on a multidimensional scale. One which actually deals in retaliatory economic moves.
At some point, lost income does impede technological progress for the obvious reasons but it is uncertain at what point it is for respective nations. We can be certain that western nations require a very high degree of funding and income to sustain relatively low and unimpressive outputs (compared to past performance), whereas I'm more confident for China the balancing point is a fair bit more flexible.
i think you should read about Russia a bit more and make sure its from outside sources. Putin did not not want to visit South Africa he can give any excuse. Russia is using Ukraine war to clean the country. like that MIG-25 pilot that flew to Japan in 1976 with name of Belenko. Yulia Tymoshenko, Viktor Yushchenko, Petro Poroshenko, Galina Timachenko has same pattern in naming with Ko in the end. i am not saying this has some thing to do with Ukraine but this thing is not picked up without reason in Arabic media just like the word Communist is picked up.
when Putin said he wants woman need to have 8 or more kids to Orthodox church. what kind of data he is receiving?. look at the green around him. you need to get a hint. India understand that Russia will have to prioritize its industry domestically for a while. look at the trade increase with India. I will say India was neutral in Previous Cold war but in this it is more favorable to Russia and this i am basing on reading Arabic media.
Not convinced but let's leave it at that.
I don't really need to listen to any Western propaganda to come to my own conclusions. And I can say that Russia's future prospects look pretty bleak. Thank god Russia has China as a reliable partner or else it would really be screwed.
Russia may eventually win this war but it will be pyrrhic victory. It will come out greatly diminished on every front - demographically, economically, technologically, diplomatically, militarily.
Staying away from this shitshow, what else? I believe this war is not just morally repugnant but has been a geopolitical disaster for Russia.
I loved the Woody Allen movies back in the ancient timez, they were funny as shit.
Woody Allen was someone who detested Hollywood. He was happy making movies in New York, or so we thought.
He was a man, who saw a therapist for over 30 years. That is an unusually long time they say. Either you're cured by then, or something is off.
Then later, his movies were like serious, and not funny stuff anymore.
This thing with his adopted daughter, I cannot forgive him for that, even though I really loved his old movies. His wife did not forgive him either, and divorced his ass.
I mean, how could he do such a thing? His wife found nude photos of their daughter, in you know, a sexual type of photo in the drawer of the supposed father.
Someone should be in prison! But Woody Allen and his new mate, who was his daughter, was making the rounds on the celebrity circuits. No one was even arrested. No arrests, no prison time? What is going on? Then again, I am fresh off the boat, what the hell do I know?
Some things are still off limits.
manqiangrexue
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Weeellll that's very questionable. China and Russia did not always have the best relationship during the cold war and Russia tried to join NATO. It doesn't take much imagination to think that the US could have sweet-talked Russia to at least being neutral in regards to China. I think if they were competent, they could have done much better than that even.
That will depend on how convincing your victory is.
Vassals pick the lord whom they believe will put them on the winning side. Convince them that the US is a sinking ship and for their own livelihoods, they will bail. But this view you are showing me here indicates that you know there was never any true possibility of the EU acting independently as long as America was still dominant. And that means you know that in starting the Ukraine War, all the US managed to do was cripple its own ally, NOT bring some loose cannon untamed EU under its control.
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It does. As a Russian, the world will judge you by Russia's successes and failures, and it will judge Russia by yours. If Russia is a winner, you will be viewed as a winner and if Russia is a loser, you will be viewed as a loser as well. So whatever Russia does, I would urge you to do your best to ensure that it is a success rather than a failure, regardless of what you personally feel. The "I-never-supported-that-war-anyway" excuse sounds like nothing but a case of sour grapes and is not nearly as convincing as a simple victory.
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