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Everything is a deflection when the ability to understand the relevance is lacking.
Would you rather have a market of rich 450+ million people buying Iphones, Teslas, Amazon services, Twitter/FB which get channeled into American tech giants revenue and R&D to remain on top and which DC policymakers can then weaponize against countries and convince them that America is #1 or would you rather have Europeans buy Huawei/Xiaomi phones, BYD cars, Alibaba services, Tiktok which go into supporting China's industry and R&D?
Your question seems to imply that China is losing a lot by restricting services to EU, while EU is losing nothing in return. China is a bigger market for EU than anything on the globe.
The question is invalid. The more accurate question is: would you (EU) rather have access to the largest industrialized market on the globe for exports and the most competitively-priced imports, or would you rather continue trading with uncompetitive and overpriced suppliers and smaller markets?
Yeah both EU and China loss, and US wins, that's my point. It's really not that hard to understand. If the major competition was between EU and China yes, your point would be accurate. But we're talking about US vs China. If US successfully manages to convince EU to self-destruct as it has in the past, it would be a net win for the US and a loss for both EU and China.
Your point is hypothetical because EU continues to trade with China.
Yeah, I'm saying if EU continues on this path of escalation with China instigated by the US, it's going to be a lose-lose situation for both. Yes perhaps more of a loss for EU but still China loses access to a critical market. But ultimately the winner is US who is happy to watch on the sidelines as the two duke it out.
supercat
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The EU is circling the drain by being such a lackey of the US. The times is on China's side.
Reminds me of this:
Meanwhile, this is how Israel deals with child rape:
We don't hate Chinese people. We only hate their government. Try that with the Zionists.
Poor Raimondo, she sounds like she got PTDS. I wonder why...
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
If China is the instigator of all bad things happening in the world today and it's all China's fault like Americans are saying, no need to rethink anything. It's like the West taunting decoupling with China. Then they find out it would wreck their economies if they were cut-off from China hence why now they say de-risking.
China is the greatest threat to the Western world order. Why? Because China is not giving the West excuses to militarily attack, take over, and control China like they want. Look at the recent revelations that during the Bush Jr administration, Vice President Cheney was hoping China militarily responded to Taiwanese provocations being pushed by Republicans in the first place. They needed an excuse to go after China but they couldn't without one. That's because any civilized person in the world would see it as the US's fault. The reason why they're rethinking relations now is because the world is in chaos and the West is neck deep in it. They're openly trying to start a confrontation and China is still not wavering where before they thought China would surrender unconditionally because they think China is dependent on them and is that fragile like Japan. And look at the world. The world is moving away from the West because China is seen as a legitimate alternative to the US and the West. So which one do you think is harder for the US? Going to war with China hoping they lose and suffer nothing, convincing all the countries in the world to turn away from China, or just get China back on their side like it was before the US and Western got arrogant that turned the world to what it is now? The people rethinking their positions on China is not because they see it as better for world peace. It's because they see they're losing the world because everything else they've tried isn't working.