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AssassinsMace

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Isn't that just the new fad from awhile ago? If you add some jelly like extract ingredients, the ice cream can retain its shape under heating. To make it not melt was the whole selling point. It's not the same as "traditional" ice cream.

What they were getting at is that Chinese ice cream is some non-edible synesthetic polymer passing it off as ice cream because the Chinese cheat.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I am still struggling to understand the purpose of Xi's visit to US. As it turns out, US secured concessions from China (resumption of military communications and fentanyl deal) without giving anything in return. To add to the humiliation, Biden called Xi a "dictator" and now U.S. Defense Secretary announced that US will continue to violate China's sovereignty and territorial integrity. I must call it like I see it. APEC summit was an L for China. I hope that Chinese leadership knows what it's doing when it comes to US and that there is an explanation for their timid approach as of late.

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What would you do if you were in a leadership position? Not meet at all? assume the worst case scenario and intent from the U.S. which means that China must be in a war footing now rather than later and drop all these pretenses about "win win" that China's leadership is keen on conveying and actually earnestly trying to do.

I am interested at all on what possible moves you can or should make if you were in Xi's shoes? Confrontation and bellicosity are far easier to express but it's quite unpredictable and uncontrollable once the ball gets rolling.

I am not saying that what you said is highly disagreeable or naive in the least, but I just want you to flesh out your ideas as to what's the alternative choice that's conducive and productive besides war footing.
 

tamsen_ikard

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What would you do if you were in a leadership position? Not meet at all? assume the worst case scenario and intent from the U.S. which means that China must be in a war footing now rather than later and drop all these pretenses about "win win" that China's leadership is keen on conveying and actually earnestly trying to do.

I am interested at all on what possible moves you can or should make if you were in Xi's shoes? Confrontation and bellicosity are far easier to express but it's quite unpredictable and uncontrollable once the ball gets rolling.

I am not saying that what you said is highly disagreeable or naive in the least, but I just want you to flesh out your ideas as to what's the alternative choice that's conducive and productive besides war footing.

I think somekind of massive crisis of power struggle is inevitable at some point, which will determine whether China can gain its place as a Superpower equal or even superior to the US. This crisis could be a full scale war, a limited war or just confrontation. But it is coming for sure.

But what is important for China is to ask if it make sense to have that crisis sooner or later. If China is a rising power that will continue to grow for a long time then it makes no sense to fight now when you can still grow stronger and fight later when you will have a better chance of winning.

But if China is at at its peak as many westerners seem to say all the time nowadays, then it might be better to fight now so that China can gain the most with its peak of power.

Its obvious that Chinese leadership believe China has a lot of potential to grow for a long time. So, they have no desire to fight now and want to reduce confrontation as much as possible without giving up too much. They know they have to give the west face and concessions to avoid the big fight. Hide and bide strategy in a sense.

But the west wants to raise tensions to its maximum now, they want to fight now. So, they are so extremely negative towards any reproachment.

But the democrats in the US government are less anti-China than the Republicans that will come to power in the future. So, China has to talk now to reduce tensions when democrats are still in power.
 

FriedButter

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Didn’t see this mentioned anywhere yet. 2 days old.

The USS Eisenhower strike group is about 300km from the coast of Iran now. Not to mention the Ohio class nuclear submarine.

USS Dwight D. Eisenhower Sailing Just Outside Persian Gulf, Ford Strike Group Nearing 200 Days Deployed​

Aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) is approaching the Persian Gulf as of Thursday, USNI News has learned.

Ike and its escorts were spotted just outside the Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf of Oman, according to ship spotters. A defense official confirmed the location of Ike to USNI News, but would not say whether the carrier will enter the Persian Gulf.

If the strike group passes through the Strait of Hormuz it would be the first time a U.S. aircraft carrier sails in the Persian Gulf since USS Nimitz (CVN-68) in late 2020, according to the USNI News Fleet and Marine Tracker.

The Ike CSG deployed on Oct. 14, from Naval Station Norfolk. The strike group was initially going to take up station in the Mediterranean Sea and relieve USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), but was instead routed to U.S. Central Command following the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks in southern Israel.

Ike transited the Suez Canal on Nov. 4 into the Red Sea and transited the Bab el Mandeb into the Gulf of Aden over the weekend.

As of Thursday, Ford and its escorts had moved west from their previous position off the coast of Israel to south of Crete, according to ship spotters. As of Sunday, the Ford strike group will have been deployed for 200 days after extensions signed by Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin. It’s the Naval Station Norfolk, Va.,-based first-in-class carrier’s first worldwide deployment.

Overall, the U.S. naval build-up consists of the two carrier strike groups, the three-ship Bataan Amphibious Ready Group with the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit embarked and several guided-missile destroyers. USS Bataan (LHD-5) and USS Carter Hall (LSD-50) are operating in the northern portion of the Red Sea, while USS Mesa Verde (LPD-19) is in the Eastern Mediterranean along with the command ship USS Mount Whitney(LCC-20).

Additionally, the Pentagon widely broadcast the Nov. 5th transit of the nuclear guided-missile submarine USS Florida (SSGN-728). There are some number of U.S. attack submarines in the region, but the Defense Department does not typically disclose their locations.

The naval buildup is part of the U.S. effort to keep the current conflict in southern Israel and Gaza contained. As of Thursday, there have been 57 attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria.

On Wednesday, USS Thomas Hudner (DDG-116) shot down a drone launched from Yemen, according to a statement from U.S. 5th Fleet.

“Our assessment right now is that the intended target was not the Hudner, but that the drone got so close to the crew that the commander did feel it necessary to engage and shoot down the drone,” Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh told reporters on Thursday. Last week, Houthi forces shot down an MQ-9 Reaper over the Red Sea.
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canonicalsadhu

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I am still struggling to understand the purpose of Xi's visit to US. As it turns out, US secured concessions from China (resumption of military communications and fentanyl deal) without giving anything in return. To add to the humiliation, Biden called Xi a "dictator" and now U.S. Defense Secretary announced that US will continue to violate China's sovereignty and territorial integrity. I must call it like I see it. APEC summit was an L for China. I hope that Chinese leadership knows what it's doing when it comes to US and that there is an explanation for their timid approach as of late.

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I agree with other posters who say that China is still biding its time, because every year the balance of economic, technological, and military power shifts in China's favor. So an opportunity to de-escalate was welcomed by the Chinese leadership.
Moreover, it's clear that Xi also wanted to reassure American businesses that China remains open and that it welcomes win-win cooperation which has been very beneficial to China.
Lastly, I think both American and Chinese leadership understand that the US-China relation is not just a bilateral issue and the international community expects them to manage the relationship responsibly so Biden-Xi talks are a reassuring signal to the rest of the world as well.
Biden calling Xi a dictator is not a humiliation of China and its leader - it's a reflection of US's increasingly dysfunctional political system which requires its politicians to succumb to jingoistic populist rhetoric to appear "tough". For the rest of the world, it's just unprofessional and uncivilized behavior. US didn't humiliate China it simply embarrassed itself.
 

supercat

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I swear that Elon acts like he has a Chinese Green Card or something…
So much for "free speech":

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Axios.
Good riddance:
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The time has indeed changed:
 

ansy1968

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I agree with other posters who say that China is still biding its time, because every year the balance of economic, technological, and military power shifts in China's favor. So an opportunity to de-escalate was welcomed by the Chinese leadership.
Moreover, it's clear that Xi also wanted to reassure American businesses that China remains open and that it welcomes win-win cooperation which has been very beneficial to China.
Lastly, I think both American and Chinese leadership understand that the US-China relation is not just a bilateral issue and the international community expects them to manage the relationship responsibly so Biden-Xi talks are a reassuring signal to the rest of the world as well.
Biden calling Xi a dictator is not a humiliation of China and its leader - it's a reflection of US's increasingly dysfunctional political system which requires its politicians to succumb to jingoistic populist rhetoric to appear "tough". For the rest of the world, it's just unprofessional and uncivilized behavior. US didn't humiliate China it simply embarrassed itself.
The result of the Summit?

There is a mature adult in the room and the world had a huge sigh of relief, that my friend is a paradigm shift in thinking and attitude, that we are seeing the end of PAX AMERICANA and the beginning of a Multipolar world (instead of China century because it defeat the purpose of China peaceful rise as it wishes to be different from America and the collective west).
 
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