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Biscuits

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What shifting production out of China? Told you China haters that it's not just the cheap labour that makes China's manufacturing so successful. It's the entire ecosystem. Government, 5-year plans, infrastructure, education, supply chain, market, down to the average Chinese. Today, China's industrial ecosystem is so far ahead, that it can even manufacture stuff just as competitively with countries with lower labour costs.
List of regions with cheaper wages than China:

Indonesia +ASEAN
Russia + CIS
Eastern europe
South America
Africa
Indian subcontinent
Mexico

List of regions with more expensive wages than China:

US + Canada
Western Europe
Japan

If cheap labor actually mattered for anything, why do none of those 80% of the poorer global population pick up the slack?

The vastly dominating factor isn't wages cost but the tech level of the country's manufacturing and infrastructural. Even after reaching western Europe income levels, expect China to still stay ahead of the curve in industry.
 

KYli

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The short of it is after collapse of Communist Party of Burma a lot of those EAOs formed in the wake. Kokang was one such under control by a group called Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army.

In 2009 the Burmese (pre-junta) government troops attacked MNDAA and the 2nd in command in MNDAA defected to the government side. A new local government was formed and Burmese government troops were stationed in Kokang. MNDAA remnants retreated deep into the mountains to hide.

Neither MNDAA prior to 2009 nor the subsequent government were pleasant people from PRC point of view. MNDAA Kokang's economy was mainly drug trade (80% of it going to China) and post 2009 Kokang's economy shifted to scamming.

Recently MNDAA re-emerged and is attacking what they see as collaborationist and traitors with government troops, using the whole anti-scam thing as their reasoning (and with suspicious amount of Chinese origin heavy weapons). They are making a lot of progress. As far as we can tell their years hiding away in the mountains has lead to some reforms in MNDAA. They have swear off the drug trade and their troops seem highly motivated.

But still, Chinese people shouldn't project themselves into any of these groups. Just look at the response from Wa State the most powerful and most pro-China of the EAOs:
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Wa State is calling for ceasefire from both sides, not taking either side, accepting any refugees fleeing Kokang into Wa State and will attack any troops entering their territory.

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This is MNDAA calling for "collaborationist forces" to either lay down their arms or rise up and join them to kick out the government troops. They nailed down that Chinese Civil War feel with the language.
Wa State isn't clean in call scam centers either. It has run a large call scam centers and was only forced to handover scammers til Chinese government puts enormous pressure on them. Beside, their tin mine was temporary shut down as tie with China is cool off due to the fact that they keep pursuing illegal trades to sustain its military even though China has warned them no drugs or scam call centers for years.

Although, it is true that China doesn't trust any of the warlords or Myanmar government as all of them were involved in drugs, casino, extortion, kidnapping, sex trade, and recent years scam call centers. So China has formally called for cease fire.
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Wa State isn't clean in call scam centers either. It has run a large call scam centers and was only forced to handover scammers til Chinese government puts enormous pressure on them. Beside, their tin mine was temporary shut down as tie with China is cool off due to the fact that they keep pursuing illegal trades to sustain its military even though China has warned them no drugs or scam call centers for years.

Although, it is true that China doesn't trust any of the warlords or Myanmar government as all of them were involved in drugs, casino, extortion, kidnapping, sex trade, and recent years scam call centers. So China has formally called for cease fire.
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Add the pro democracy protesters as they have openly threatened to attack China.
 

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I'm sorry but this is some unhinged retarded shit. By your twisted logic, Iraq, which contains Mesopotamia, has the right to direct all humanity by force. The Japanese said something just like you but called it divine right, thus justifying all of their cruelty in Asia. I'm disturbed that your post garnered the support of so many members. The fact is that Japan is a modern sovereign nation. It can refuse to join any Chinese-led coalition, and China has no right to invade it for that choice. If they conduct any military operations against China, especially in the event of a Taiwan conflict, even if they send arms to the ROC or allow the US to use Japanese bases in a conflict, that all changes. But China has no right to answer a polite refusal with military force. If you don't recognize that, then you simply want China to become the monster that it spent decades hating.
Agreed. To add to this, although Japan are a totally defeated and controlled government, society, and people, they were "blessed" that their destroyer allowed them to rise up again (to a limited extent) as a bulwark against potential Soviet expansion in the East. In so doing, they have become a relatively rich and modern society. Although a lot of that shine has worn off since the 80s, many of them still feel gratitude and obedience to the US. It would be fully understandable for them to continue their dedication to that vassal role, even in a world in which the US has lost global hegemony. And that's not even to mention the economic ties that bind them to the US.

If or when Japan decides to loosen those ties, that is a choice they will have made for themselves. For their own benefit, survival, or livelihood. Even if they choose not to do so, China has no right to destroy them so long as peace continues to prevail in East Asia. On the other hand, if a US-China hot war occurs and Japan voluntarily (or by US coercion) participates in it, whether in direct combat or through logistical support to the US, China has every right to destroy them. The same applies to South Korea, Philippines, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, etc. They would become the Ukraine of Asia and all their neighbors would look down on them with disgust, condescension, and pity.
 

TK3600

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Wa State isn't clean in call scam centers either. It has run a large call scam centers and was only forced to handover scammers til Chinese government puts enormous pressure on them. Beside, their tin mine was temporary shut down as tie with China is cool off due to the fact that they keep pursuing illegal trades to sustain its military even though China has warned them no drugs or scam call centers for years.

Although, it is true that China doesn't trust any of the warlords or Myanmar government as all of them were involved in drugs, casino, extortion, kidnapping, sex trade, and recent years scam call centers. So China has formally called for cease fire.
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Chinese Special Military Operation when?:p
 

Biscuits

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I'm sorry but this is some unhinged retarded shit. By your twisted logic, Iraq, which contains Mesopotamia, has the right to direct all humanity by force. The Japanese said something just like you but called it divine right, thus justifying all of their cruelty in Asia. I'm disturbed that your post garnered the support of so many members. The fact is that Japan is a modern sovereign nation. It can refuse to join any Chinese-led coalition, and China has no right to invade it for that choice. If they conduct any military operations against China, especially in the event of a Taiwan conflict, even if they send arms to the ROC or allow the US to use Japanese bases in a conflict, that all changes. But China has no right to answer a polite refusal with military force. If you don't recognize that, then you simply want China to become the monster that it spent decades hating.
Divine right is shaky justification, but the problem is that the global situation isn't a choice between divine right and national liberation, but between American divine right and Chinese divine right.

The right of China to lead and control in Asia and over other parts of the world is not mainly based in history, but based on practical experience. There is only 1 other civilization that has shown global leadership capacity by bringing prosperity, through their own power, to over 1 billion of their own people, that being the Anglo-Saxons.

But unfortunately, becoming subservient to them means being an open air brothel like Thailand or Afghanistan, because they just culturally don't accept people who don't look like them. So it's better that nations get subjugated to China, as they at least can be freed from exploitation that locks them into permanent misery.

The sooner more Chinese people assume a mindset of allowing expansion, the better. Having tributary countries will further enhance the wealth and welfare of the middle and lower class, while colonies under Beijing's soft guiding hand rather than Washington's harsh and violent hand, will also benefit in gaining the real development they've been denied for decades by their current masters.

Look at places like for example Philippines and most of Africa. They've been dumps since forever under western exploitation. At the minimum, China isn't gonna do a worse job.
 

A potato

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As soon either the myanmar army or myanmar rebels attack China
Chinese Special Military Operation when?:p

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Tibetan Buddhist in Russia are clearly hostile to China as they are pro Tibetan Independence. Hopefully Oirats Mongols, Buryats Mongolsand Tuvans in China can, "Take Care" of them
 
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Tibetan Buddhist in Russia are clearly hostile to China as they are pro Tibetan Independence. Hopefully Oirats Mongols, Buryats Mongolsand Tuvans in China can, "Take Care" of them
That article was from a Free Tibet website that was hosted in Taiwan renegade province. I wouldn't take them too seriously. These Free Tibet pretenders are not a serious faction in Russia and are definitely a fringe group. Nothing like their their Western counterparts. These are just a noisy, pitiful bunch. If we are concerned about Sinophobia in Russia, then its the Navalny followers and China-hating Russians who are gonna be more prominent. But even these people are not gaining any serious traction in Russia.
 
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