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I saw similar information here . Obviously these aren't exhaustive sources but it seems like the idea of creating a Jewish state in imperial Japanese occupied territory was a Japanese idea that they came up with to deal with the Jews in Shanghai, since they wanted to keep them alive to appeal to the Jewish diaspora in the US. The Jews that were already in China from fleeing Germany went along with it because they were at the mercy of the IJA.

AssassinsMace said:

Why is Marco Rubio so anti-China? It's because the rising Chinese aren't going to care about carrying forward the story of the plight of right-wing Cubans.

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Those that play second fiddle are often even more protective of their hard earned slot and by China becoming #1, its basically an affront to Rubio because that pushes him down the rungs of the ladders and makes him lose the spot that he feels he earned etc

Boltzmann said:

I saw similar information here

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. Obviously these aren't exhaustive sources but it seems like the idea of creating a Jewish state in imperial Japanese occupied territory was a Japanese idea that they came up with to deal with the Jews in Shanghai, since they wanted to keep them alive to appeal to the Jewish diaspora in the US. The Jews that were already in China from fleeing Germany went along with it because they were at the mercy of the IJA.

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Fair enough.

Jewish banker Jacob Schiff had helped finance Imperial Japan and its war with Imperial Russia. Jacob Schiff supported for Imperial Japan was more or less due to his resentment of Imperial Russia and the pogrom. In addition, he views Japan as good example of how Jews can create its own state.

However, during the ascendant of Japanese empire, both GB and the US played a bigger role in helping Japan to defeat Qing Dynasty and later Imperial Russia to cement Japan to be a great power in Asia. Jewish bankers or businessmen only played a minor role in helping Japan.

As for the establish of Jewish state in Northeast of China. At that time, Jews were desperate to find a place to flee from German holocaust. They just take up the deal that was offered by the Japanese Empire. When a better alternative arrived, most Jews just left China for the US.

However, I want to point out that Jews played a very large role in Opium trade and Opium War. Jews along with British and Americans pretty much monopolized opium trade and sponsored 2 wars in order to continue this extremely profitable trade.

Boltzmann said:

The ROC was one of the only countries to accept Jewish refugees fleeing the Germans in the lead up to WW2. The overwhelming majority of Jews remember and are deeply grateful for this, even if you yourself have forgotten this part of your own country's history.

Your post reads like a bunch of logical leaps and extraordinarily cherrypicked examples to justify a pre-existing prejudice. Yes China is not at the top of the minds of a diaspora that originally came from the levant and has had nearly all of its history confined to the western hemisphere. Why should it be? Likewise Jews do not take Chinese apathy towards them as a fault, since China historically had nothing to do with them aside from the above example. They actually like being ignored since being the center of attention is a bad omen for them.

Yes the overall number of Chinese killed by the IJA is higher than Jews killed by the Germans. Why is this relevant? I understand the west in general downplays the Chinese experience of WW2 but this is done mainly by neglecting the subject of the Pacific theater and only showing the American perspective of fighting the Japanese when it is discussed, not by appealing to Holocaust casualty figures. You are making this about Jews when it just isn't.

And your anecdotes are void. There are 20 million Jews and 1.4 billion Chinese. In the ensemble of all interactions between them there are bound to be good and bad ones, what matters is the statistical trend and that emerges, and that is one of general mutual indifference aside from the very much positive memory of Chinese generosity in Shanghai.

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The ROC was one of the only countries to accept Jewish refugees fleeing the Germans in the lead up to WW2. The overwhelming majority of Jews remember and are deeply grateful for this, even if you yourself have forgotten this part of your own country's history.

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Yeah I know that and hence why are Jewish politicians in the US so anti-China? There was a NYTimes article talking about Jews who escaped to Shanghai during WWII. In it there was actually a suggestion that China owes reparations to Jews there because they were forced to leave when the communists took over. All foreigners were forced to leave when the communists took over. Why only the Jews especially when Chinese were forced to leave their homes to make room for the Jews? You think that helps? And you don't see anyone say maybe such things shouldn't be said but they were because it was published in the NYTimes? There was no one to that said that's wrong to say.

And you don't think the West cherry picks like taking a post read on Chinese social media as all Chinese as being racist or antisemitic? That's what's happening now pointed to by the mainstream media. What are you doing about it? If you don't you have any obligation, then why are the Chinese obligated? You talk about bad omens...

Why is it relevant to bring up the fact more Chinese civilians died during WWII that Jewish civilians? Because everyone tells the Chinese how they suffered like Chinese didn't. The Chinese have to do something while they don't have to do anything for the Chinese. I don't bring it up unless someone tells me something like it didn't happen.

I don't see sympathetic Jews defending China for turning communist. China turned communist as a direct result of Western colonialism. In the US the narrative is China turned communist because they want to take over the world. That's how the US vilifies China when the US sent Marines to stop revolts against Western colonial rule. I don't see Jews defending China on that lie. Are they obligated to ? No, and that why there should be no offense taken when Chinese are apathetic to what Jews are going through. If people believe China's apathy makes it automatically pro-terrorist then what does doing nothing about anti-China actions in the US or anywhere else says?

The Jews are not obligated to help the Chinese. And the Chinese are not obligated to help the Jews. Be happy that the Chinese are apathetic. If the West gets their claws on the Chinese, you don't think they'll be teaching the Chinese to be antisemitic? You talk about bad omens...

KYli said:

Freedom of speech only applies when you support Israel but it is a crime when you speak against Israel.

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The problem with supremacist religions and ideologies that elevate the “chosen-ness” of one’s members snd the dehumanisation of outsiders by likening Them to human livestock fit only for exploitation in the service of the former, is that it prevents empathy and thus a final concluding resolution for peace.

These mafia and standover tactics of intimidating ppl who support Palestine and criticise the israeli atrocities could only come from ppl who fail to empathise with dissidents who view members of the out-group as livestock and subhuman.

For instance, such is the belief in the grip over western media and The Narrative that disgusting behaviour like below is promoted without any fear of karmic justice or recourse.

”what is wrong with you” when challenged over the targeting of civilians and children in Gaza. Because only Jewish lives matter.
i dare say if their aim is to prevent another holocaust, they’re certainly doing a very poor job of it.

Western Rule of law.

EU seeks Tunisia's help to stop illegal immigrants. Tunisia isn't a beggar.

As expected.

Bellum_Romanum said:

All these moves are designed to gauge and test the limits of Chinese government and also in some sense a practice run/example to the western countries considering to enact such measures against Chinese companies in their respective regions. India wants to show its leadership, bold courageous "supapowah" leadership in this manner that it too has power and the wherewithal to confront Chinese Commie aggressions despite most of its materials and intellectual resources needed to further develop their economic aspirations would come from China.

India is indeed a very dangerous country since it already plays like an ascended power that's on par and with cultural affinity and aspirations with the west that colonized, shaped, and built what is India. I agree wholesale with @ChongqingHotPot92 that China/PLA better not drop their ball when it comes to the government of India because in my view, it'll stab China when it's most opportune for them.

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I think you are reading too much into this.

This is typical Indian government grifting. They are corrupt, Vivo probably didn't bribe the right people or enough money

GM stopped producing cars in 2020, but was not blocked from selling its plant for many years. Still hasn't closed a deal as of 2023. GM is not a Chinese company.

India is not a practice run for Western countries, no one wants to emulate the business environment in India.

AssassinsMace said:

I don't see sympathetic Jews defending China for turning communist

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Well I am a Jew and a communist who loves the party so you can start your tally here

AssassinsMace said:

And you don't think the West cherry picks like taking a post read on Chinese social media as all Chinese as being racist or antisemitic?

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Yes exactly it is wrong when the West does that so why do you do it

AssassinsMace said:

Yeah I know that and hence why are Jewish politicians in the US so anti-China?

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Why do black senators and men like Lloyd Austin oppose China despite being descendants of a racialized slave class? Why does Katherine Tai oppose China despite being ethnically Chinese herself? You said it already. They are politicians in the US. If you want to obtain political power in the US then you have to be willing to display unflinching anticommunist sentiment whenever and wherever it is asked of you with no hesitation, regardless of how dissonant this is with your personal background. That's how it works here, and how it has worked since the end of reconstruction. It has nothing to do with Jews or even China specifically, since the same shit happened with the USSR.

Also, despite how ridiculous it sounds to people like us, a lot of Americans including elites really do believe in the ideology that American identity is inclusive to everyone regardless of background, and that naturally makes it easier to forget hard truths about the country's history.

siegecrossbow said:

Happy because they had a head start learning Xi Jinping thoughts.

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Are there any more indications as to the outcome of that meeting?