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criticism that's factually untrue is better known by the term "slander".
In this case I don't believe what the poster said what qualify as slander. His statement that there have been incidences of mass violence in recent years is a factual statement. He mentioned US has similar problem, but at a much larger scale. He later made some ancillary statements about occurrence of violence in other Asian nations, which were proven to be untrue. Presenting data of occurrence of similar incidents in Japan and Philippines was a proper response to refute those later claims. No need attack him as a troll, I don't believe he was trolling. I don't even think his intention was to criticize China. He was just calling out a concern as a reaction to a new article.

Why are you so concerned about being inclusive and tolerant? What matters the most are facts not appearance of inclusive by giving people free pass of saying half-baked facts. From Reddit, Quora, to any MSM, comments, articles, and opinions are China is bad and evil regardless of any topics. SDF is only a few places that allowed to refute such lies but you think we should be more humble and tolerant in refuting lies and false statement because you think being objective means that you need to accept any criticism even if such criticism is trojan horse.


Great nation failed when its history is twisted, when facts are blurred, when truth is step aside in the name of harmony, when achievement and greatness are downplayed, when shortcomings and failures are exaggerated, when your citizens bend their knee thinking that your country and your people are inferior.

As a person who grow up in HK, I can state one simple fact. When fake criticism and twisted facts tell hundreds time, then it would become true. That's the exact what happened in HK. As many HKers kneel down against the Whites because they feel inferior but at the same time look down against mainland Chinese because they feel superior. Why, because so called objective criticism is an attempt to demonize Chinese race as an inferior race that the only savior is to learn and kneel down to the superior race of Anglo-Saxon.
It's not about inclusivity and tolerance. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard rather than stoop to the same level as many of the posters of Western MSM and the Jai Hind types. This forum stands out as one of the few places where civilized, educated discourse can take place on China related issues. Statements that are inaccurate should be refuted like you mentioned, such as you did with providing data from Japan. I was specifically commenting on some poster's reactions that were calling out the poster as a troll, not the posts that provided relevant data to refute some of the the poster's points.

is there a need for special security precautions beyond the norm based on the statistical damage they cause?

what is the opportunity cost of such special security precautions?

is there a better use of limited resources?
This here is a proper and educative response that properly addresses the issue.
 

luminary

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Evidently, the national government is also aware of the threat posed by increasing violence, racism, and human trafficking to public safety and Chinese citizens in the US.
Official statement has been released:
一段时间以来,美国枪击暴力和针对亚裔歧视事件频发。美国以各种借口对入出境美国的中国公民滋扰盘查,近来,还恶意抹黑中国追逃追赃工作,不惜动用司法手段任意拘捕中国公民,还在芬太尼问题上甩锅推责,“钓鱼执法”、跨国绑架诱捕起诉中国公民,严重威胁中国公民人身安全。 外交部领事司和中国驻美使领馆提醒在美中国公民密切关注当地社会治安形势,加强自身安全防范。临时赴美人员应提高警惕,提防落入美陷阱及诱捕圈套。如遇紧急情况,请及时与中国驻美使领馆联系寻求帮助。

Low numbers of Chinese traveling to US, anyways.

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Chinese tourists have still not come back to the numbers SF saw prior to the pandemic. China was once San Francisco's top international market. Some local travel agents are blaming it, in part, on the current tense relationship between China and the U.S.



Tragicomedy.

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: Crime Wave Brutalizes Working Class Refugees and Migrants​

Jiabin Lin, an immigrant from China, was killed during a food delivery in Bridgeport, Connecticut on March 5, 2023. The killer, a 17-year-old, reportedly shot Lin multiple times in the back. A GoFundMe was
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to send his body back to China for burial.

Kon Fung, an immigrant from Hong Kong, was murdered during a robbery while driving for Uber on July 17, 2022. ABC7 News reported that Fung was getting in his vehicle when two men in downtown Oakland, Calif., ambushed him and within five seconds, Fung was killed. Police later
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two suspects, one of whom is a juvenile.

Sueng Choi, a 67-year-old immigrant from Korea, was murdered on March 3, 2023, when a gunman robbed his deli on the Upper East Side in New York City. Choi's suspected killer, Kimond Cyrus, is wanted in
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with other robberies across the city.

Mohammad Anwar, a Pakistani immigrant and driver for Uber Eats, was killed during an attempted carjacking in Washington D.C., on March 23, 2021. Video
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by a bystander shows two teen girls seizing Anwar's car, driving it away while dragging his body. After crashing the vehicle, one of the girls steps over Anwar’s mangled body, screaming, “Where’s my phone?”

Ahmad Fawad Yusufi, an Afghan refugee who was driving for Uber and Lyft, was sleeping in his car after a long day of work next to James Rolph Jr. park in San Francisco when he was
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during an attempted robbery on Nov. 28, 2021. Yusufi’s murderer was
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by a federal judge earlier that year over a claim that San Francisco police had used an unlawful search of his vehicle.

Abu Sala Miah, also known as Salauddin Bablu, a 51-year-old who fled political persecution in Bangladesh, was stabbed to death over the weekend of October 16, 2021. Sala was a delivery worker for GrubHub who worked 10-12 hour days to support his wife and two children in Bangladesh. The suspects in his slaying attempted to steal his e-bike and reportedly stabbed him in the face and stomach.

Esam Musleh and his 1-year-old daughter Alia Musleh were burned to death in Oakland, Calif. on April 19, 2021. Musleh, a cashier at the Booker's Liquor store, was reportedly followed home by gang members who mistakenly targeted him as part of a retaliatory attack on a rival gang. The assailants set fire to the liquor store and to Musleh’s home. He came to the U.S. to escape the war in Yemen. "We run from Yemen because of the war,"
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Mohammed Alsamma, a cousin of Musleh, speaking to reporters after his death. "We thought we are safe here, but death followed us to this place."

Cherno Ceesay, a 28-year-old immigrant from Gambia and Uber driver, was stabbed to death by passengers attempting to steal his car on December 13, 2020, in Issaquah, Washington. The car crashed and the passengers
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stole his phone.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Netflix just released a documentary today called Unknown: Killer Robots. It's about the use of artificial intelligence in weapons of war. Guess what? They show US companies on artificial intelligence use Unitree robot dogs. The documentary uses that Chinese footage of drones maneuvering through trees but they don't mention it's from China. They make it look like it's all American. The only thing they mention of China is that China wants to be on top of artificial intelligence.
 

KYli

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It's not about inclusivity and tolerance. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard rather than stoop to the same level as many of the posters of Western MSM and the Jai Hind types. This forum stands out as one of the few places where civilized, educated discourse can take place on China related issues. Statements that are inaccurate should be refuted like you mentioned, such as you did with providing data from Japan. I was specifically commenting on some poster's reactions that were calling out the poster as a troll, not the posts that provided relevant data to refute some of the the poster's points.
As much as I don't want SDF to become an echo chamber and have a higher standard, I have to disagree with the fact that his first statement is intended to be inflamed to begin with. It takes two to tangle. If he wanted a more civilized and profound discussions then he wouldn't and shouldn't twist facts to provoke.

He knew perfectly well that China and the US can't be compared at the same level when talking about mass killings. But he decided to compare the two countries and claimed these two countries are the only countries that have this kind of problem. Moreover, he discarded guns as a problem to rationalize the right wing talking points in order to excuse American political dysfunctional as a main reason why mass shootings and killings are so rampant in the US.

If we were to accept his facts that mass killings are unique problem for the US and China only and taking out gun as main factor of mass killings, then there is no point of debate as we all knew what direction will the discussion would go.
 
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Okay now we're finally getting somewhere.
is there a need for special security precautions beyond the norm based on the statistical damage they cause?

what is the opportunity cost of such special security precautions?

is there a better use of limited resources?
If statistics was all that mattered America would not be talking about mass shootings, since "statistically" you are still more likely to be hit by lightning than be a victim of a mass shooting. Nonetheless it is because of the nature of these attacks, that they can happen anytime anywhere from people who may outwardly exhibit signs of being capable of this kind of stuff, that creates a sense of unease in society. It also engenders questions about the health of society that some people feel pushed to the point where they commit such heinous acts. One taking place every two years or so can be chalked up to human nature, but five or more happening every year creates social unease.

Perhaps schools can post more security guards, except the flipside is turning schools into fortresses raises questions about what kind of society one is living in if we have to resort to that solution. For the moment, no I not believe China is in such a crisis that schools need more security or that teachers have to be trained in disarming techniques. Nonetheless, it does happen in conjunction with other attacks on public spaces to warrant concern. And with respect the latter, extra police on the streets can't exactly protect citizens if a car randomly decides to ram into pedestrians.

So it really boils down to the rote answer of increasing mental health resources and decreasing the wealth gap, but how it can be equally distributed throughout China's provinces, city tiers, and communal levels and how it can be accomplished considering economically things are pretty tight for the moment, should be the main area of focus. As well as other things too, like reflecting on issues like competitiveness and stigmatization of mental health that are ingrained in Chinese culture and how such attitudes can change.
then there is no point of debate as we all knew what direction will the discussion would go.
Well actually no, as you can see I was pretty much primed to talk about the actual issue. It was you and the other posters who kneejerk decided to make this about national honor and whether my OP insulted it.
 

TK3600

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As much as I don't want SDF to become an echo chamber and have a higher standard, I have to disagree with the fact that his first statement is intended to be inflamed to begin with. It takes two to tangle. If he wanted a more civilized and profound discussions then he wouldn't and shouldn't twist facts to provoke.

He knew perfectly well that China and the US can't be compared at the same level when talking about mass killings. But he decided to compare the two countries and claimed these two countries are the only countries that have this kind of problem. Moreover, he discarded guns as a problem to rationalize the right wing talking points in order to excuse American political dysfunctional as a main reason why mass shootings and killings are so rampant in the US.

If we were to accept his facts that mass killings are unique problem for the US and China only and taking out gun as main factor of mass killings, then there is no point of debate as we all knew what direction will the discussion would go.
I don't think he is necesarily trolling, but he is definitely wrong and acting like an idiot, and we are allowed to point out how stupid his statements are.

I think that is a sign of good forum. People are allowed to express different opinions, but they are not protected from criticism, and ridicule in extreme cases like this.
 

Blitzo

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Okay now we're finally getting somewhere.

If statistics was all that mattered America would not be talking about mass shootings, since "statistically" you are still more likely to be hit by lightning than be a victim of a mass shooting. Nonetheless it is because of the nature of these attacks, that they can happen anytime anywhere from people who may outwardly exhibit signs of being capable of this kind of stuff, that creates a sense of unease in society. It also engenders questions about the health of society that some people feel pushed to the point where they commit such heinous acts. One taking place every two years or so can be chalked up to human nature, but five or more happening every year creates social unease.

Perhaps schools can post more security guards, except the flipside is turning schools into fortresses raises questions about what kind of society one is living in if we have to resort to that solution. For the moment, no I not believe China is in such a crisis that schools need more security or that teachers have to be trained in disarming techniques. Nonetheless, it does happen in conjunction with other attacks on public spaces to warrant concern. And with respect the latter, extra police on the streets can't exactly protect citizens if a car randomly decides to ram into pedestrians.

So it really boils down to the rote answer of increasing mental health resources and decreasing the wealth gap, but how it can be equally distributed throughout China's provinces, city tiers, and communal levels and how it can be accomplished considering economically things are pretty tight for the moment, should be the main area of focus. As well as other things too, like reflecting on issues like competitiveness and stigmatization of mental health that are ingrained in Chinese culture and how such attitudes can change.

Well actually no, as you can see I was pretty much primed to talk about the actual issue. It was you and the other posters who kneejerk decided to make this about national honor and whether my OP insulted it.

You were the one that wrote it in a manner that equated the two in scale and severity, whether you deliberately meant to or not.

Frankly, if you withdrew the comparison accepting that it was like comparing a mountain and a molehill, and made it merely about the difficulty of challenging these sort of events in general, then the reaction would not have been as significant.


By the way, you still have the opportunity to withdraw that comparison, if you so wish. If you don't and wish to choose this particular hill to defend, then that is also reasonable but is also very much a sign of the weighting you place on things.
 
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