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tacoburger said:

Refusal to open up to China, to develop, to stop giving Japan and SK a reason to hate China and keep their American bases everytime they threaten to invade or nuke them.

So why isn't China's closet ally included in the belt and road?

The alternate reason is that China actively keep NK in it's pathetic undeveloped state, which is horrible, and again, unproductive.

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Refusal to open up to China = no influence? ....LOL. Japan and SK hate China even without NK, and China ultimately gives no fcukks about what US poodles in Tokyo and Seoul think.

Look at NK on the map, their value in B&R is small even if they invited themselves.

NK's development level is Kim's call, not Xi's. They serve China's purpose just by being there; while not as blingy as South Korea, NK isn't the pathetic unproductive state the western media likes to paint. They don't have a homeless problem like in South Korea, while possessing hypersonic weapons which the US don't.

tacoburger said:

Why would countries want to ally with China when all chinese allies seem to turn into failed states?

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NK was saved by China's military intervention, which actually encourages nations to ally with China, as it proves China is capable of repulsing invasions by enemies. The Korean War is not over, something you seem to forget.

tacoburger said:

Not to mention that it's bad PR. And not helping relationship with SK and Japan when NK keeps threatening to nuke them. Would be easier to remove American bases from that region if a rouge state wasn't threatening to nuke you every couple of months.

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This is naive. The Korean War is not over, the only way to expel US bases is through military force. The only way for Reunification is not by economic kum-ba-yah, but by military force. You think of NK stopped having nukes, that US will magically withdraw from Korean peninsula? Give me a break.

tacoburger said:

And NK can have access to nukes, they just have to stop threatening people with them every few months and driving up tensions in the region.

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Not when US-SK routinely practice de-capitation strikes against NK and perform aggressive training/exercises on it's doorsteps.

tacoburger said:

So that NK can be a even bigger threat, good PR and an increased balance of trade with China? I would much rather NK selling China advanced technology like SK and Japan does, instead of raw materials.

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The barometer for success in Korea is successfully reunification by military force. Everything else is nice-to-have, but not required.

tacoburger said:

Can easily do both.

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Korea is going to be reunified by military force, not economic kum-ba-yah, so priority on 1 million man nuclear army is more important than trade/investment. Do you know the Korean War is not over? How many times do we have to repeat.

Michaelsinodef said:

Lmao, do you really think that Japan and SK hates China just due to NK?

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Strangelove said:

Refusal to open up to China = no influence? ....LOL Japan and SK hate China even without NK, and China ultimately gives no fcukks about what US poodles in Tokyo and Seoul think.

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azn_cyniq said:

Let's be real, the existence of North Korea is not the reason South Korea and Japan hate China. The real reasons are China's rapidly increasing economic strength, a delusional sense of superiority, and American influence.

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Well it doesn't help does it? This has the feeling of Russian ultranationalist asking why so many european countries want to join NATO after the war. Sure Finland hated Russia before the war, but the very real threat of invasion is what forced them to actually do something it. Hate is just a feeling, but missiles and nuke tests are a good motivation to actually do something about it instead of just ranting online.

Michaelsinodef said:

As for opening up or development, well they are in fact actively developing themselves, you just aren't gonna know about it if you don't properly follow and look into NK. Opening up, they are and have been slow in that yes.

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Or China could have forced it open a decade ago, flooded the country with chinese goods, chinese media, chinese schools, factories and money.

Michaelsinodef said:

It really doesn't have to, not to mention there's also the optics of NK and what other countries might feel about NK joining B&R.

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NK was dependent on China decades before B&R was a thing.

Michaelsinodef said:

No lol, more just a matter of them being stubborn and wanting to make their own path which China respects and doesn't go actively inferfere to force them to be X.

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And no wonder why China's closest allies are all corrupt shitholes. How are your parenting skills? Do you allow your 5 year old to drink beer and do heroin before bedtime? But let me guess, if NK wanted to become close allies with America and open up American bases there, suddenly China has the will and the strength to find a big enough stick and carrot to make NK do a U-turn on it's forgein policy.

tacoburger said:

Refusal to open up to China, to develop, to stop giving Japan and SK a reason to hate China and keep their American bases everytime they threaten to invade or nuke them.

So why isn't China's closet ally included in the belt and road?

The alternate reason is that China actively keep NK in it's pathetic undeveloped state, which is horrible, and again, unproductive.

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Japan invaded China in WW2. They believe they got nuked and expelled from their colonies in Korea because China gained the favor of the US and totally not because they lost a 3 front war that they started. But yeah North Korea made them hate China.

tacoburger said:

And no wonder why China's closest allies are all corrupt shitholes. How are your parenting skills? Do you allow your 5 year old to drink beer and do heroin before bedtime? But let me guess, if NK wanted to become close allies with America and open up American bases there, suddenly China has the will and the strength to find a big enough stick and carrot to make NK do a U-turn on it's forgein policy.

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Meanwhile China just gained Saudi Arabia and UAE. Anyhow, some historical background for you: most US allies were gained in 1945-1960, when the US was 50% of global GDP. The only rich ally it gained after that period was South Korea. Nobody else. It gained those allies either by conquering them outright or by sponsoring their reconstruction after being mauled in WW2. The Soviets tried to compete by spending more on foreign policy and military which held back their internal economic development.

Is it China's fault that it doesn't have more rich allies? Sure. What's the solution? Turn back time 80 years, already be a global empire and win WW2 without its homeland being touched. That's it.

Otherwise the moves going forward can't be the same moves the US made because China isn't 50% of global GDP, didn't just win WW2 and isn't a global empire.

tacoburger said:

Well it doesn't help does it? This has the feeling of Russian ultranationalist asking why so many european countries want to join NATO after the war. Sure Finland hated Russia before the war, but the very real threat of invasion is what forced them to actually do something it. Hate is just a feeling, but missiles and nuke tests are a good motivation to actually do something about it instead of just ranting online.

Or China could have forced it open a decade ago, flooded the country with chinese goods, chinese media, chinese schools, factories and money.

NK was dependent on China decades before B&R was a thing.

And no wonder why China's closest allies are all corrupt shitholes. How are your parenting skills? Do you allow your 5 year old to drink beer and do heroin before bedtime? But let me guess, if NK wanted to become close allies with America and open up American bases there, suddenly China has the will and the strength to find a big enough stick and carrot to make NK do a U-turn on it's forgein policy.

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Of course it doesn't help, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. China isn't the one threatening to invade South Korea and Japan. One of those countries has invaded China multiple times and both of them are hosting the troops of a nation that would not hesitate to invade China should the opportunity arise. Like others before me have said, North Korea's threats are simply responses to threats from the other side of their border.

The countries that are trying to join NATO were not Russia's friends before the invasion either. Fundamentally, not much has changed. NATO has gained a new member at the cost of strengthened Sino-Russian ties and severe economic damage.

I agree with your point about China's allies. Historically China has taken a hands-off approach with its allies. Maybe that needs to change.

tacoburger said:

Explain NK. More or less totally dependent on China, everyone would love it if they were became more developed and stopped raising tensions with nuclear threats, decades later and China has failed to influence their government enough to allow this tiny little country to open up to chinese money and investments.

More likely answer, China just doesn't give a shit, or they would have bought NK to heel a long time ago.

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Kim I purged all pro-China elements from his army right after the end of hostilities in the 50’s

tacoburger said:

Refusal to open up to China, to develop, to stop giving Japan and SK a reason to hate China and keep their American bases everytime they threaten to invade or nuke them.

So why isn't China's closet ally included in the belt and road?

The alternate reason is that China actively keep NK in it's pathetic undeveloped state, which is horrible, and again, unproductive.

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Japan and SK despise China because Chinese industry ate their industry (semiconductor, ship, chemical, automotive, etc). Simple as.