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And yet they continue to defy China.
Why would countries want to ally with China when all chinese allies seem to turn into failed states? Not to mention that it's bad PR. And not helping relationship with SK and Japan when NK keeps threatening to nuke them. Would be easier to remove American bases from that region if a rouge state wasn't threatening to nuke you every couple of months.
And NK can have access to nukes, they just have to stop threatening people with them every few months and driving up tensions in the region.
So that NK can be a even bigger threat, good PR and an increased balance of trade with China? I would much rather NK selling China advanced technology like SK and Japan does, instead of raw materials.
Can easily do both.
If America had failed to build up SK, Japan and Europe after WWII, would any of this countries be American vassal states? Belt and road investment also proves you wrong btw.
If those white people are all natively born in China and are 100% smarter than local students, yes.
A perspective from a Chinese-American historian, podcast host of Silk and Steel Podcast, now living in Bali, Indonesia, Carl Zha on the ongoing shit show and delusions of grandeur from Prigozhin Wagner PMC boss reporting live directly straight from Moscow, Russia being interviewed in Russian Television (RT).
Still haven't answered the question, how has China failed to influence NK? Chinese money better spent in China than in NK DOESN'T preclude B&R projects, you're confusing the two, especially when NK isn't a member of B&R.... LOL. So why invest in it?
Looks like you've proven yourself wrong LOL.
Refusal to open up to China, to develop, to stop giving Japan and SK a reason to hate China and keep their American bases everytime they threaten to invade or nuke them.
So why isn't China's closet ally included in the belt and road?
The alternate reason is that China actively keep NK in it's pathetic undeveloped state, which is horrible, and again, unproductive.
Lmao, do you really think that Japan and SK hates China just due to NK?
As for opening up or development, well they are in fact actively developing themselves, you just aren't gonna know about it if you don't properly follow and look into NK. Opening up, they are and have been slow in that yes.
It really doesn't have to, not to mention there's also the optics of NK and what other countries might feel about NK joining B&R.
No lol, more just a matter of them being stubborn and wanting to make their own path which China respects and doesn't go actively inferfere to force them to be X.
No, it isn't. The logic the people used for the Putin 4D theory is the competence of the Russian government. The logic I'm using is the competence of the Chinese government. I hope you can spot the difference.
China is indifferent to the Ukraine war. Whether it knew about it or not, whether it wants it or not, the situation is out of its hands. The best one can do under those circumstances is adapt, which China has done very well. By the way, I wouldn't take China pouring "billions" into a place to be indicative of anything, billions is pocket change to China.
Good, then maybe the people who got it there know something about how to successfully run a state and its international affairs.
No, it really isn't. Them shitting the bed is a consequence of the choices they made. China is simply continuing normal relations with them because that's in China's interests. China isn't running a rehabilitation program for delinquent countries.
It won't happen. Like everything you've written here, that's far-fetched and has nothing to do with reality.
That's a gross abuse of history. America didn't "make" these countries anything, they were already developed long before America was. What America did was conquer them and put them in its pocket after they stupidly smashed themselves in WWII.
China already offers generous market access and investment, it's up to the recipient countries to make use of those opportunities. That's a tall ask, especially when a lot of those countries are rampantly Sinophobic.
Oh, well. Their choice.
I think it's very effective. I can give a laundry list of reasons why, but the clincher is the Chinese government thinks it's effective.
First, I wouldn't put Russia in that camp despite its problems and failures. Second, development is just not in the cards for some cultures. It's just a harsh truth of the world we live in and there's nothing China can do about it. China tried with Pakistan and it got nowhere.
These countries don't need China's help. They need to understand development should be their #1-99 priority and act like it.
You can't help those who do not want to help themselves.
Current infrastructure already supports the trade that North Korea conducts. Why would they want to sign a loan with China to build massive infrastructure projects? Total trade for exports and imports in 2022 from both sides account for like $1.5 billion dollars.
Let's be real, the existence of North Korea is not the reason South Korea and Japan hate China. The real reasons are China's rapidly increasing economic strength, a delusional sense of superiority, and American influence.
I agree that China should seriously try to help North Korea develop. However, North Korea must continue to exist at least until American troops leave South Korea and Japan. Korea is like a dagger aimed directly at the heart of China and it has been used as a staging ground for multiple invasions of China in the past.