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jwnz

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You are being way too passive and maybe 15 years behind China’s current hard power and deep infrastructure investments.

If NATO directly involves itself in combat with Chinese forces, that’s game on and basically WWIII. In which case China will not settle for merely destroying the NATO expeditionary invasion forces, it will take the fight directly to NATO’s home, and the Russians would be ecstatic at that development.

All the investments made to install the direct rail link from China to Europe can transport more than just consumer goods.

Should the need and will to do so exist, a vast PLA ground army can be at the EU’s literal gates far faster than most people would believe, never mind expect. This is a feature, and is a core reason why China doesn’t really need or want that many overseas military bases. Why bother with the expense of that when you can just build the infrastructure to allow you to rapidly deploy as much men and materials as you could ever need for any war rapidly instead? That infrastructure also generates massive economic returns and brings wealth, development and local grassroots support in peacetime instead of being a massive economic burden and source of friction and resentment with locals that military bases tend to become. It’s the same reason China doesn’t bother permanently stationing vast armies in Xinjiang or Tibet, and just rapidly surge forces there when needed.
Wouldn't the railways be easily disrupted by enemy forces though? Missiles or bombers, and you only need to destroy one bridge or viaduct to render the long network unusable for a long time.
 

antiterror13

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Italy along with EU has always been U.S. leaning and it's nothing new.

The onus has always been on China's side to persuade/threaten/charm/out maneuver/negotiate etc. traditionally U.S. leaning countries to either stay neutral or even work against U.S. interests.
What is "onus" ?
 

coolgod

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Looks like Blinken only got private arguments with Qin Gang and Wang Yi. From the readout it seems Ukraine is probably getting the Korea treatment real soon, with or without Zelensky's approval.

6月19日,中共中央政治局委员、中央外办主任王毅在北京会见美国国务卿布林肯。
王毅说,国务卿先生此次北京之行正值中美关系处在一个关键节点,需要就对话还是对抗、合作还是冲突作出选择。历史总要向前发展,中美关系终究也要向前发展。开历史倒车没有出路,推倒重来更不可取。我们要以对人民、对历史、对世界负责的态度,扭转中美关系螺旋式下滑,推动重回健康稳定轨道,共同找到中美在新时期的正确相处之道。
王毅强调,中美关系陷入低谷,根源在于美方抱持错误的对华认知,导致错误的对华政策。中美关系历经波折,美方有必要深刻反思,同中方一道,共同管控分歧、避免战略意外。中美关系要止跌企稳,当务之急是把两国元首共识真正落到实处。中美关系要行稳致远,最重要的是把习近平主席提出的相互尊重、和平共处、合作共赢原则作为根本遵循。
王毅深入阐释了中国发展振兴的历史逻辑和必然趋势,介绍了中国式现代化的鲜明特征和全过程人民民主的丰富内涵,敦促美方不要拿国强必霸的模板来镜像中国,不要用西方传统大国走过的轨迹来误判中国。这是美国对华政策能否真正回归客观理性的关键所在。
王毅要求美方停止炒作“中国威胁论”,取消对华非法单边制裁,放弃对中国科技发展打压,不得肆意干涉中国的内政。王毅着重剖析了台湾问题的实质,强调维护国家统一永远是中国核心利益中的核心,是全体中华儿女命运所系,是中国共产党矢志不渝的历史使命。在这个问题上,中国没有任何妥协退让的余地。美方必须真正坚持中美三个联合公报确定的一个中国原则,尊重中国主权和领土完整,明确反对“台独”。
布林肯介绍了美方看法,表示美方致力于重回两国元首巴厘岛会晤确定的议程,期待同中方加强沟通,负责任管控分歧,在双方有共同利益的领域开展合作。
双方还就共同关心的国际和地区问题交换了意见。


Whats with the Mean Girls subtle bs of wearing face masks around Chinese? And yet taking it off, around white Americans?
in any case, words are cheap, Blinken. What tributaries has this emissary from the Duke of Mei offered?

Mr. Shades in the meeting is apparently Sullivan's younger brother.
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FairAndUnbiased

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Wouldn't the railways be easily disrupted by enemy forces though? Missiles or bombers, and you only need to destroy one bridge or viaduct to render the long network unusable for a long time.
Railroads take just hours to repair if load bearing elements of a bridge are not damaged. Railway bridges are much harder to destroy than most expect.

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and total width 14 meters. Only a penetrating hit on the load bearing part will collapse the structure by definition.

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CEP of PGMs is ~5 meters. However, the error distribution is not a perfect circle. Ranging is more difficult to get right than angular direction. This means that its easier to hit the bridge parallel to the rail than perpendicular to the rail. However that means for gravity bombing, you need to fly parallel to the rail, which is easy to predict, and air defenses can be laid in ambush.

If you fly perpendicular to the rail, the flight path is less predictable, but then you have to deal with the increased range error.

A railway bridge is made of reinforced concrete. That means normal semi-armor piercing warheads are unlikely to be effective. Here's what a non-effective hit looks like: a 3000 kg primitive 'missile' (a kamikaze plane) crashing into just 25 mm of steel plating does nothing but slightly burn the paint.

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While carbon steel has tensile and compressive strength ~10x higher than concrete, concrete piles are also 6.5 meter thick rather than 0.025 meters thick.

So it looks like you need a bunker buster. These are very heavy munitions. What kind of range do they have?

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. Its range is ~15 km. Heavier ones have less range. These severely cut into range and air to air loadout for strike fighters, while requiring strategic bombers to approach to basically point blank range.

So how would anyone attack Chinese bridge infrastructure? The only way is to attain air supremacy - even air superiority won't do, as even inferior PAVN fighters in Vietnam were able to force F-4s to drop their strike payloads.

Attaining air supremacy over Russia or China - something they could not even do against tiny Vietnam - is unlikely.
 
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Looks like Blinken only got private arguments with Qin Gang and Wang Yi. From the readout it seems Ukraine is probably getting the Korea treatment real soon, with or without Zelensky's approval.
Where are you getting the part about Ukraine?
 

AssassinsMace

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It reminds me of the riots in Tibet before the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics. Remember when CNN edited a picture with an APC (CNN called it a tank) driving down the street where they only showed two rioters making it look like overkill by the Chinese. Then someone released the actual photo and whole street was lined up with rioting Tibetans throwing rocks.
 
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