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luminary

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Biscuits said:
Militarism and it's natural follow-on of colonialism is in fact not something dirty that China should avoid at all. That type of thinking makes the country less able to tackle external threats.

Most colonized countries love their colonizers. Why? Because you can impose total control over their elites, which will sway the dregs because the dregs in most societies have no freedoms and simply live vicariously through their elites.

Throughout Asia, the countries that have been occupied by the West will never love China - unless they've become counter occupied by China, in which case they will become the staunchest sources of support for China. To institute increased militarism, create the colonial systems, is the most efficient way to win hearts and minds. Of course, the communists do not acknowledge this, but the beauty is that eventually, their hand will be forced by the west anyways.

Authoritarianism throttles a country's growth, but liberalism throttles a country's ability to leverage strength. The west is the king of authoritarianism, able to control the minds of almost all their population and exert complete military and economic control over the formerly(currently still de facto) occupied. That also makes the west the kings of not growing economies, not inventing new things and not building better stuff. (obviously, they still produce some innovation and growth due to sheer size, but it is proportionally worse)

To confidently face the west, the status quo where China allows far too much internal criticism and pro foreign voices must be stopped. Without freedom, the country will not grow, but without authority, the country will not be able to fight.

A mixture of both systems is needed, having freedoms today is pointless if the west will invade and take them away tomorrow anyways. Instead, having a little less freedom, working towards reducing the freedom of unfriendly nations up to and including occupying them like the west does, means that in the long run, as long as the government stays true to its original vision, the controls can be slowly scaled back once the western threat is ended, resulting for more freedom not only in China, but among the colonized.
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Depends on the culture. Many formerly colonized countries are mentally and socially weak, and perversely desire to be colonize and dominated by others. That masochistic urge creates "death cultures", death either by self-implosion or foreign exploitation.

It also comes from the desire to keep their status as the "middle bully" where by prostrating and brownnosing before their colonial masters, they can sh_t on their neighbors whom they see as "lower races".


Go to the burgeoning African states and majority of them are not white-worshipers, despite a large portion of their elites educated in the West. Perhaps it's because they know they will never be "honorary whites", so the temptation never exists.

Look at the bids from South America and Africa for their own permanent seats at the UNSC. Since when have you heard something ballsy like that come out of ASEAN?
 
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Feima

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Nuking civilians is never justifiable but between another million of Americans and allies troops that would need to die in order to take Japan. I think it is a necessary evil
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I now think the 'one million casualties to take Japan home islands' thing is another of America's myth making, a rationalization after the fact. The allies had total air supremacy and their fire bombing of Japanese cities killed as many if not more people than the atom bombs. Japan was already talking through the Soviet Union about surrender.

From another perspective: I've been to the bomb memorial in Hiroshima. Not far from the memorial there is a little museum which displays letters including from like primary school students. (That museum might have been a school back then.) The letters show that the students were part of the Japanese war effort. By that point of the war, arguably any able bodied person in Japan was a participant in the war.

By the way, Kure is 50min by train from Hiroshima. For naval buffs, the Yamato and JMSDF museums are worth visiting.
 
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KYli

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Feima said:
I now think the 'one million casualties to take Japan home islands' thing is another of America's myth making, a rationalization after the fact. The allies had total air supremacy and their fire bombing of Japanese cities killed as many if not more people than the atom bombs. Japan was already talking through the Soviet Union about surrender.

From another perspective: I've been to the bomb memorial in Hiroshima. Not far from the memorial there is a little museum which displays letters including from like primary school students. (That museum might have been a school back then.) The letters show that the students were part of the Japanese war effort. By that point of the war, arguably any able bodied person in Japan was a participant in the war.

By the way, Kure is 50min by train from Hiroshima. For naval buffs, the Yamato and JMSDF museums are worth visiting.
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I think it is debatable that there would be one million allies deaths for invading Japan. But it is one reason cited by the US after the war to justify using the nuclear weapon that resulted in so many civilian casualties as the US is facing a lot of criticism aftermath. However, it is difficult to say how many lives would be lost if the invasion had truly happened. Iwo Jima and Okinawa battles have resulted over ten thousands of deaths for American soldiers even after Japan warfighting capacities have been severely depleted. All depends upon if Japan is still willing to fight to the deaths or not.

I have no sympathy for the Japanese civilians as they have enabled the Japanese empire to wage the wars that caused so many suffering. A village a few miles from my grandparents' village were completely massacred for no reason other than because the Japanese can. My grandmother lost her second child after running to the mountain to hide from the Japanese soliders as they raid her village again and again. Japan lost the war and should have paid a price of it but it got away with little and no punishment. So I refuse to accept for Japanese to play victims in anyway or form.
 
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The British-Baltic-Polish alliance is far more aggressive than America. In America, there is still a section of the American elite who urge caution. In Britain, no such contingent exists.

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The British are more assertive, the Americans more worried about provoking Russia.
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UK is Japan, EU is China, both are island nations has the island nations mentality -hubristic, colonialist, paranoia, shit-stirrer and they are the vassal states of Mother of all island nations - the USA to provoke and prevent those land-locked mainlands to compete with them.
 
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luminary

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Go to the burgeoning African states and majority of them are not white-worshipers, despite a large portion of their elites educated in the West.
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Look at President of Kenya sh*tting on Biden's "Summit for Democracy" at the Pan-African Summit two days ago. Whole floor gives him a standing ovation.

"Ferried in buses like school kids"

"Forced to attend group meetings because of threats and blackmail"

"50 heads of state, not given any time to speak meaningfully, lined up just for photographs"

I think Africa's role in shaping China's diplomatic approach is understated. A lot of China's foreign experience has come from dealing with them and it probably has had great influence in China's emphasis on non-interference, mutual respect and multipolar philosophy.
 
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luminary said:
Look at President of Kenya sh*tting on Biden's "Summit for Democracy" at the Pan-African Summit two days ago. Whole floor gives him a standing ovation.

"Ferried in buses like school kids"

"Forced to attend group meetings because of threats and blackmail"

"50 heads of state, not given any time to speak meaningfully, lined up just for photographs"

I think Africa's role in shaping China's diplomatic approach is understated. A lot of China's foreign experience has come from dealing with them and it probably has had great influence in China's emphasis on non-interference, mutual respect and multipolar philosophy.
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Not really. China’s unique relationship with the African nations started from Mao who wanted to export revolution to anti-imperialist and anti-colonialist political groups. Hint: There is a reason why Zimbabwe and China has really good relations. One can argue that he was the one who kickstarted China’s multi-polar diplomacy.
 
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Biscuits

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Feima said:
I now think the 'one million casualties to take Japan home islands' thing is another of America's myth making, a rationalization after the fact. The allies had total air supremacy and their fire bombing of Japanese cities killed as many if not more people than the atom bombs. Japan was already talking through the Soviet Union about surrender.

From another perspective: I've been to the bomb memorial in Hiroshima. Not far from the memorial there is a little museum which displays letters including from like primary school students. (That museum might have been a school back then.) The letters show that the students were part of the Japanese war effort. By that point of the war, arguably any able bodied person in Japan was a participant in the war.

By the way, Kure is 50min by train from Hiroshima. For naval buffs, the Yamato and JMSDF museums are worth visiting.
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The encirclement of the Kwantung army, which had most of Japan's military power in it besides the IJN, was the main factor behind Japanese surrender. Japan could have kept fighting using the material in Northern China if not for that front being folded by the PLA and the Red Army.

That led to Japan beginning talks with USSR, the first country among the Allies that were contacted about Japanese surrender.
 
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victoon

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Using traditional culture and history of Silk road is such an enlightend approach.

Central Asian Ethnic minorities in China
English Name, Standard Romanization, Code, Simplified Chinese, Mandarin Pinyin, 2020 National Shares, 2020 Population, 2010 opulation, 2000 Population, 1990 Population, Year of recognition
Kazakh Kazak KZ 哈萨克族 Hāsàkèzú 0.1108% 1,562,518 1,462,588 1,251,023 1,111,718 1954
Kyrgyz Kirgiz KG 柯尔克孜族 Kē'ěrkèzīzú 0.0145% 204,402 186,708 160,875 141,549 1954
Tajik Tajik TA 塔吉克族 Tǎjíkèzú 0.0036% 50,896 51,069 41,056 33,538 1954 (though more Persian than Tajiks)
Uzbek Uzbek UZ 乌孜别克族 Wūzībiékèzú 0.0009% 12,742 10,569 12,423 14,502 1954

 
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