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Biscuits

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GZDRefugee said:
Problem is, China doesn't have nuclear parity yet. It's gonna take a while to achieve MAD with all those complicit. Even if China's building 60 a year, it would take decades.
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China doesn't really need to nuke every single village in all of Europe and USA, they have more than enough to glass USA completely and Imperial Japan as well. Should an exchange happen, it's likely that Russia would butt in on the garden, given they have so many legacy nukes which do not have range to go anywhere else. So I would say that the Euro direction is firmly covered.

Most of American nukes which they declare on paper are legacy platforms that don't have much range or even worse are air dropped bombs. These would not be able to reach mainland China. The relevant nukes are ones which are launch on warning. China isn't bound by any arms control treaty so it simply doesn't need to provide data.

MAD is not number of warhead parity (which we won't even know how many China has anyways), just the ability to destroy the other country completely (hit every major town and larger settlement), which China can casually do to the US.
 
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Snippets of an interview that the little Goebbels of Biden (Jake Sullivan) gave today at the ''think tank'' Brookings institutions. Yeah, Jake Sullivan. WTO needs fundamental reform to put non-western countries in a strict neoliberal mold with a government that does not rule or plan her economy but let the invisible hand of the ''free market'' dogmatism run amok + organization that ties their hands to a rule book set up and dominated by white Europoids. The end of history shizzle of Francis Fukuyima (?) that everyone happily adopts the Western European and North American preffered economic and political model and we all dance kuyumba around a fire in US dominated world order. The Germans have the same policy with their ''handel durch wandel'': not trade for monetary sake but to ideologically mold us politically and economically to their liking. White man's burden of the 21st century.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651651351460323331
 
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Dark Father

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Snippets of an interview that the little Goebbels of Biden (Jake Sullivan) gave today at the ''think tank'' Brookings institutions. Yeah, Jake Sullivan. WTO needs fundamental reform to put non-western countries in a strict economic neoliberal mold with a government that does not rule her economy but let the invisible hand of the ''free market'' dogmatism run amok + organization that ties their hands to a rule book set up and dominated by white Europoids.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651651351460323331

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651655483101421595

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651656411393171489

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651640347368333336
 
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Dark Father said:
Snippets of an interview that the little Goebbels of Biden (Jake Sullivan) gave today at the ''think tank'' Brookings institutions. Yeah, Jake Sullivan. WTO needs fundamental reform to put non-western countries in a strict economic neoliberal mold with a government that does not rule her economy but let the invisible hand of the ''free market'' dogmatism run amok + organization that ties their hands to a rule book set up and dominated by white Europoids.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651651351460323331

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651655483101421595

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651656411393171489

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651640347368333336
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Well, the whole of American educated elite are very much focus on enforcing INDUSTRIAL ECONOMIC POLICY but with different moniker as to not sound or look like they're doing what Red China has been doing for decades. They're calling it HAMILTONIAN APPROACH.

The talk offers you the codifying approach that America must take and ought to have taken ages ago.

Here's the presentation.
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siegecrossbow said:
He and Blinken will eff it up just like they effed up Hunter Biden coverup.
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Remember, Jake Sullivan was supposed to be Hillary Clinton's National Security Advisor but he wasn't able to get that gig since Hillary lost the election to Trump. In a lot of ways, the Biden administration is simply an extension of Hillary Clinton's administration or how it would have looked like if she was the President.
 
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taxiya

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Overbom said:
This section you quoted is misleading. Should have quoted what was the "wrong policy"

Full context:
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Writing on Twitter, Mykhailo Podolyak said the U.S. and other Western nations encouraged Ukraine to give up nuclear weapons as the former Soviet Union collapsed, offering safeguards in return. This was misinterpreted by Russia, leading to conflict, Podolyak said.
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There is nothing Ukraine can blame the US or other country for giving up their nukes. The big 5 will not accept a new nuclear power without doing what ever they can to prevent it from happening. At the time of breakup of USSR, only Russia is accepted by the other 4 as the successor state of USSR to take up USSR's legal obligation and right including nukes.

NK, India and Pakistan who were willing and able to bear the sanctions with their backers support. The former USSR states had no such option. If they refused, they could see a Russian invasion with US support, essentially gave up their independence.

So Ukraine wasn't tricked, encouraged or fooled by anybody. It was an order by the big 5.
 
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Overbom

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taxiya said:
There is nothing Ukraine can blame the US or other country for giving up their nukes. The big 5 will not accept a new nuclear power without doing what ever they can to prevent it from happening. At the time of breakup of USSR, only Russia is accepted by the other 4 as the successor state of USSR to take up USSR's legal obligation and right including nukes.

So Ukraine wasn't tricked, encouraged or fooled by anybody. It was an order by the big 5.
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The Ukrainian guy is just saying the PR-friendly version. Your version is the correct one. The big guys gave the order, and the little brother executed the order
 
GZDRefugee

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Biscuits said:
China doesn't really need to nuke every single village in all of Europe and USA, they have more than enough to glass USA completely and Imperial Japan as well. Should an exchange happen, it's likely that Russia would butt in on the garden, given they have so many legacy nukes which do not have range to go anywhere else. So I would say that the Euro direction is firmly covered.

Most of American nukes which they declare on paper are legacy platforms that don't have much range or even worse are air dropped bombs. These would not be able to reach mainland China. The relevant nukes are ones which are launch on warning. China isn't bound by any arms control treaty so it simply doesn't need to provide data.

MAD is not number of warhead parity (which we won't even know how many China has anyways), just the ability to destroy the other country completely (hit every major town and larger settlement), which China can casually do to the US.
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Warhead count does matter when your adversary has demonstrated a willingness to do preemptive strikes and has a history of doing so. Can you honestly say that China can maintain MAD after receiving a surprise strike and retaliate through US air defenses? There must be enough warheads to survive a strike and still obliterate the offending nations in retaliation after capabilities have been degraded. Unless you want to move to high readiness and launch on warning doctrine, 250-350 warheads will not be enough.
 
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