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MarKoz81

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Many of us in the states have a deeply-engrained sense that only our side is capable of doing anything "good," and that anything "the enemy" does is just a clever ruse, a cynical exploitation, or a propaganda stunt to lower our guard.

I've thought about that in the past. Not sure I have the answer yet but let me play Jared Diamond for a while.

This mindset is called projection - a typical behaviour of narcissistic individuals. The person who wants to wrong another person projects that intention onto that other person thus providing justification for wronging them aka "you wanted to stab me in the back, that's why I had to do it first". This is a maladaptive defense mechanism that solves two inherent problems for the narcissist - the need for maintaining good image and the need for resolving the sense of guilt and shame.

Narcissists are fundamentally people who are not taught to distinguish shame and guilt and therefore can't accept criticism and treat it as aggression.

On that - note how American Protestantism has a "shame" notion of sin compared to Catholic "guilt" notion of sin. American sin is about rejection of the sinner. Catholic sin is about rejection of sin. American culture is fundamentally a Protestant culture.

I would argue that the US has a greater rate of narcissism in culture as well as greater number of narcissistic individuals in society compared to other countries for several reasons but I'll name three major ones that form a positive feedback loop:

1. Environmental factors.

In Europe or China societal pressure and limited land and economic opportunities caused the cultures to select for social cohesion and order and heavily against narcissism. When internal tension was too high it caused revolutions or war. In America land was unlimited and societal pressure was easily avoided. This is why America has only one internal (major) armed conflict in its history and no revolutions.

2. Personality of migrants.

First settlers were dissident religious fundamentalists. Fundamentalism correlates highly with narcissism. American political system was founded by religious sects and American model of "freedom of religion" differs from French revolutionary "laicite" in that it is a freedom "to" rather than "from" religion. As America developed more people would come attracted by economic prospects. Risks and distance meant that the people who were forced to flee or had high motivation were most likely. For reasons that I won't get into due to space limits both are highly correlated with narcissism. Finally slavery and racism are both highly correlated with narcissism and American state was founded expressly for the protection of slave owners with the help of New England fundamentalists and business interests.

3. Lack of external competition.

Development of American culture was protected by North America's unique geography and lack of developed native cultures which provided lack of external pressure on cohesion and order. Furthermore the native populations which existed were not only small and underdeveloped but also were often the "barbarians" to the previous cultures which would be destroyed or severely weakened by the pathogens brought to America by first colonists, mostly the Spanish. This meant that the fledgling American culture never had to account for a peer rival and often the only cultures that it encountered would be similar to itself and for the same reason (Spanish colonial culture, expansionist native cultures). There's obviously Canada but they don't count.


In short America is a culture that grew out of a disproportionate share of narcissists thrown into safe and rich environment with numerous advantages. Think of a spoiled kid playing a game with cheats so he always wins. American culture is not like other English colonial cultures - Canada, Australia or New Zealand - and it might be because those cultures were limited externally by the British imperial rule.

This probably lies at the core of American culture being the best representation of a "peach culture" - superficially very friendly but inaccessible and hostile at heart. Americans only to be friendly as not to get into (shooting) fight with each other but not as friendly as to have to sacrifice for or share with others who they don't approve because they have almost never had the need to do so while in old cultures this type of cooperation was a necessity whether you liked someone or not.

And it's not just "the enemy" but "the friend" as well.

Americans disproportionately see themselves as a "chosen nation" and are less likely to believe that they should learn from other cultures to improve their own - just think about the metric system - but naturally their ideas are the ones that need spreading.

I saw a clip of justice Scalia expressing the view that European countries don't have full separation of powers because they don't separate the legislative and executive branches in the same ceremonially superficial fashion as the US does. Scalia is a justice of the US Supreme Court so clearly someone who should have the knowledge but he chooses to treat American system either as revelation or if Americans invented it or both.

In my opinion, CN deserves to be proud of what they've accomplished; so it's incredibly frustrating watching us seethe and whine instead of just trying to do better. We didn't win the Space Race by kneecapping the Soviet space program, we won it by building our own.

That's not a good comparison because Space Race wasn't a zero sum game. Soviets "winning" it would have no material consequence as long as US could match them.

America's imperial business like all of politics is absolutely a zero-sum game. China's win is by definition America's loss. Seething is rational and more than you think.

A state is a territorial monopoly on the use of force. An empire is a security provider for client states. Being a monopolist enables to put a premium on your services. When America is forced to compete with China it has to lower its price and improve its service.

However having been the security provider for these contested regions since 1991 created a generation that was raised in conditions of permanent superiority. Before 1991 American interest would always have to contend with either Soviet or British or some other imperial interest as a potential threat. Since 1991 there was no competition and that set the tone for how the relations would be conducted.

Also China makes it harder by playing the "humble" card which forces Americans to change their attitude or risk losing influence. China is aiming upward so they lose nothing by playing "humble" but America must aim downward which makes it a humiliating experience having to renegotiate the relationship and do so with greater humility. Politicians and media people are some of the most narcissistic individuals in every population. That's not "seething". It's narcissistic rage.

The problem however is again broader. British Empire was at its peak in 1900 was fairly comparable to American Empire in 2000 and yet when it began to collapse the average British citizen acted differently from the average American. The elites were seething. The citizens were not. And yet in America so many Joe Schmoes act like they're the nobility losing their titles and lands.

There is a major difference in how American culture shapes perceptions of Americans compared to others and I think it has to do with how this one particular personality trait is selected for by America as an environment and society.

And so my final argument is that if it was a personality trait then it absolutely would be affected by generational cohort and upbringing conditions.

And lo and behold: Boomers are the absolute worst. Millenials (boomers' children) are the second worst. X-gens and in Zoomers aka "crisis generations" are much better with regards to accepting the change. Zoomers are best because they benefited least from America's position in the world and have known nothing but arrogance, war and crisis in their life. It's not "their" empire. It's somehow still the boomers'.

This chart shows data for 2014 - left is annual cohort, right is life duration.

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I think the difference between boomers and zoomers is quite distinct.

Anyway... whether my analysis is on point or not "You're nothing special and have to get over yourselves" is not the type of book that is going to sell millions of copies I'm afraid.

Here's the senile Peterson's tweet. He should just stick to what he knows best and that's crying.

This is what happens when Canadians want to be Americans. They should stick to just being sorry.
 

Eventine

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A little revolt from the MIC media recently lol. Couldn't be a more obvious coordinated pressure campaign to extort a bit more pay from their MIC funders. This is what presstitutes going on strike looks like. They'll get their wish and then it's back to the regularly scheduled propaganda soon enough.
More likely internal consensus manufacturing to make way for a Democratic break from the Republican strategy of China bashing all day long in the up coming election.

The problem with the Democrats doing exactly what the Republicans do is that they can never "out hate" the Republicans. The latter will always have an advantage in selling the China threat to their base. The Democrats have no hope of matching the Republicans in appearing to be more China hating. So it isn't an effective election strategy.

So they're testing the water on whether they can sell a different narrative to the American public - "we are responsible competitors who'll beat the Chinese by being the best version of ourselves." This will play out vastly better to the Democratic base, who love to think they have the moral high ground.

It's all performance, of course. In the end, neither party's policies will be all that different.

But it's very telling that it's the media sources connected to the Democratic establishment that are pushing this story right now.
 

birdlikefood

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Many of us in the states have a deeply-engrained sense that only our side is capable of doing anything "good," and that anything "the enemy" does is just a clever ruse, a cynical exploitation, or a propaganda stunt to lower our guard.

We can see this most evidently in our attitude towards BRI. China has been successfully coupling itself to smaller economies, providing infrastructure and capital for lesser-developed nations, and broadly enhancing its global prestige in the process. Instead of acknowledging this fact and coming up with a better alternative for these nations, we decried it as "debt trap diplomacy" and "neocolonialism," making CN out to be an untrustworthy, predatory entity.

Another example is MIC2025, we took it as a "threat to global trade!" and painted it as an aggressive, dishonest attempt to "dominate" the world market, fuel neo-imperialist/expansionist military ambitions, and subvert the US industrial supply chain. Of course, we ignored that such an initiative is the obvious, sensible direction for a developing nation that is integrating itself into high-value-added industry and trade; and forgot that we had done quite literally the exact same thing (if not worse) for most of the cold war.

Much of this zeitgeist is a product of Cold War era cultural Oikophilia, wherein everything Freedom and Liberty and Democracy and Human Rights and blah blah blah was ascribed to the West and considered the ultimate "good" in the world; whereas The Enemy™ was painted as the antithesis to those concepts, and thus always should be seen as the ultimate "bad." When you think about it like that, especially when you consider that the fundamental framework for our "system of morality" is derived from religious iconography of a similar style (God == ultimate "good" & Devil == ultimate "bad" - and any "good" done by the Devil is always actually "bad" no matter how it may look at first), then our aversion towards acknowledging good deeds by The Enemy™ is a little more comprehensible.

In my opinion, CN deserves to be proud of what they've accomplished; so it's incredibly frustrating watching us seethe and whine instead of just trying to do better. We didn't win the Space Race by kneecapping the Soviet space program, we won it by building our own.
Brilliant summary!

In fact, the values that best represent most chinese people have always been written in the most conspicuous place in China.

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“Long live the People's Republic of China !” and “Long live the great union of the people of the world!”

Its modern version is "The great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation" with a strong spirit of nationalism and "A human community with a shared future" with a strong spirit of internationalism.

The core spirit of the People's Republic of China has never changed.
 

Chevalier

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Here's the senile Peterson's tweet. He should just stick to what he knows best and that's crying.

jordan peterson just RTed fetish porn of some white guys with the matrix filter over it because he thought it was a chinese breeding facility
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March 11, 2023
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It’s like during the 2019 HK riots where Western propaganda used a bdsm sex dungeon as proof of china torturing dissidents. It actually speaks volumes of the calibre of individuals who join with western imperialism: perennial incels unable to score a real woman and who have a crushing porn addiction.
 

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It’s like during the 2019 HK riots where Western propaganda used a bdsm sex dungeon as proof of china torturing dissidents. It actually speaks volumes of the calibre of individuals who join with western imperialism: perennial incels unable to score a real woman and who have a crushing porn addiction.
This thing happened many times. There were photos from a BDSM club in Taiwan which were posted as leaked photos of torture in Uyghur concentration camps. Fetish and BDSM material getting posted as "leaked CCP atrocities" is not a very obscure event. It happens every 1-2 years and we only see ones that get viral. I bet you'd see it happening regularly if you follow enough anti china and falun gong accounts
 

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US Discusses Fund to Backstop Deposits If More Banks Fail​

  • FDIC, Fed weigh special vehicle after SVB swiftly collapses
  • Regulators are racing to stem the fallout for other banks

Fears Spread​

First Republic’s stock had tumbled 15% on Friday, extending the bank’s slide to 34% for the week. The firm
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in a statement that its liquidity remained strong and that its deposit base was very diversified.

Representatives for San Francisco-based First Republic and the FDIC didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment on the interactions.


A number of other regional lenders also saw their stock plunge on SVB’s collapse, prompting their own assurances of financial stability.


At the rate this is developing, I would not be surprised if next week we hear a story about how Yellen already called her Chinese counterpart over this phone this weekend.
 

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US Discusses Fund to Backstop Deposits If More Banks Fail​

  • FDIC, Fed weigh special vehicle after SVB swiftly collapses
  • Regulators are racing to stem the fallout for other banks




At the rate this is developing, I would not be surprised if next week we hear a story about how Yellen already called her Chinese counterpart over this phone this weekend.
Xi shouldnt budge, nothing short of a fleet of Boeing 747 delivery of EUV machines to Beijing would do this time around...
 
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