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antiterror13

Brigadier
I think the Ukraine war will end in Korean-style stalemate for long time, neither side will agree on ceasefire or peace treaty or unequal treaty...

but China offering a peace proposal and independent intermediary is a huge propaganda victory. Slaps the face of US who has been pushing to sideline and isolate China... the Europe would see China as an intermediary to Russia and diplomatic counterweight to US.

China is focus and not much talking while the bully always talk and blame everybody else but themselves
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Well, all these listed goals are exact definition anti any country.

The critical difference is that today, the west is no longer seeking to destroy Russia as a country to eliminate a potential challenger and rival, as it was against the USSR.

It is anti Russia because Russia is working against its (perceived) interests, but is not in principle against detente and even co-operation if Russia can be brought ‘on side’. There were a not insignificant amount of Russians, many of which are very powerful and influential, who felt the same way.

In essence, Russia was the China of the Cold War, and very much ‘flippable’ by America as it did China during the Cold War. All up to the Ukraine war and the western sanctions that followed.

This is the core reason why the Ukraine gambit was such a needless and stupid move by the west.

In its arrogance, it tried to conquer instead of cooperate with Russia, and in doing so made a potential ally an enemy.
 

Feima

Junior Member
Registered Member
The critical difference is that today, the west is no longer seeking to destroy Russia as a country to eliminate a potential challenger and rival, as it was against the USSR.

They are. See all the recent "decolonize the Russian empire" talk. Russia is a federation of about 20 republics, and the west seeks to break the federation up into little standalone countries that they can then dominate through their typical means.
 
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