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BlackWindMnt

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Or they could've been genuine. Russia plays both sides. In fact, they far prefer their European brethren to the asiatic hordes. If not for NATO's missteps, Russia wouldn't have turned to China. Even now you'll find Russian commentators complaining how China isn't doing enough to supply them and confront the US, while Russians are selflessly shedding blood directly fighting the hegemon. It's rather similar to how Ukraine (and to an extent all proxy states) beg and at the same time secretly resent the US. It's in Russia's natural interests to stir up trouble between east and west so that China is weakened and has no choice but to turn to Russia.

The "Christian" factor is funny but it's exactly the way white imperialistic states like Germany and Russia think. Never forget that Russia was also part of the 8 nation alliance. China's rise is no less existential to them and their worldview.
The chasm already started when the west inherited the western Roman empire and Russia inherited the easter Roman empire, they also hate each other because of christian interpretation russia staying with orthodoxi and the west going Catholicism later protestasme, probably a bit like the Suni-Shia divide in the muslim world.

For the rest Russia will do what is best for Russia not what is best for the Anglos or Chinese, for the next half a century being in the China camp is the more prosperous and safer option/route. Especially once northern artic route is a more viable shipping route, it will give russia huge levers of control over goods going from east to west and vice versa. You can already see European air flight companies complain about Asian air flight companies that are able to use Russian airspace. The same will happen when Chinese cargo boats that can use Russia northern water ways to get goods faster to Europe, why would you as a company even hire or pay for NATO aligned shipping companies? If they are slower and more expensive.

Also imaging if Russia pissed off China in the early 2010s, the amount of resources both nation would have to allocate to their shared borders/spheres of influence would be massive that would be an ideal divide and conquer situation for the west to exploit.
 
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Minm

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Amazing isn't it, what a mock naval blockade can accomplish.
Amazing what you can accomplish when you successfully show that the Taiwan side was responsible for the crisis. A measured response to American/Taiwanese provocations is the best strategy

The only reason Chinese propaganda is effective is because they show reality as it happens.

See that 300 mile highway cutting through the Goni Desert? Not CGI, real.

See that giant patch of forest where sand dunes used to be? Not a build back better pipe dream, real.

On the other hand Western demonization of China has gotten so bad that it is cartoonish. There is only so much BS one could take before questioning it.
Most people know very little about China, so they're easily influenced by any positive or negative story about China. They already know a lot about the US, so it's harder to change their opinion

They’ve already arrested a journalist citing some bs reason when he was just asking questions; clearly the Anglo five eyes express cultural orientalist tropes such as “face”.
The expression may come from Asia, but it's obvious that the modern Chinese government cares little about face whereas western governments are willing to sacrifice economic or political interests to avoid losing face

Expect the US to activate another one of its cards at late 2023 and/or early 2024
They're running out of cards though
 

pmc

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The "Christian" factor is funny but it's exactly the way white imperialistic states like Germany and Russia think. Never forget that Russia was also part of the 8 nation alliance. China's rise is no less existential to them and their worldview.
The Christian and white is none factor. Christianity of Catholic and Orthodox different. Shoigu himself mix race.
Best selling brands of vehicles in Russia were always Korean/Japanese apart from low price Russian brands. Similarly Apple didnot took as much hold as Samsung back in the days. Even before this Ukraine conflict Russians were building replica brands of Starbucks and McDonald in places like North Caucuses. All the German and American brands have much longer life in China.
German could not make much money in Russia despite the scale of EU-Russia trade. it is reflected in corruption scores that Russia gets from a German based organization. Germans were pissed for long time. but countries in Middleast view Russia very differently compared to West/China and that what counts.

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Stryker

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Or they could've been genuine. Russia plays both sides. In fact, they far prefer their European brethren to the asiatic hordes. If not for NATO's missteps, Russia wouldn't have turned to China. Even now you'll find Russian commentators complaining how China isn't doing enough to supply them and confront the US, while Russians are selflessly shedding blood directly fighting the hegemon. It's rather similar to how Ukraine (and to an extent all proxy states) beg and at the same time secretly resent the US. It's in Russia's natural interests to stir up trouble between east and west so that China is weakened and has no choice but to turn to Russia.

The "Christian" factor is funny but it's exactly the way white imperialistic states like Germany and Russia think. Never forget that Russia was also part of the 8 nation alliance. China's rise is no less existential to them and their worldview.
Exactly this. Russia was very much part of the 8 nation alliance and committed various atrocities like rape, murder, plunder, arson and destruction of cultural relics. Prior to this they had also threatened China with war and forced her to sign the treaty of Aigun thus gaining control over outer Manchuria and cutting off Chinese access to the Sea of Japan. Later in Soviet years, we again saw numerous skirmishes and murders committed by USSR troops during the Sino-Soviet split. Personally, I believe this is payback for Russia being a mean bully, they are bleeding and killing as usual but this time China is in a very strong and favorable position. Historical grievances should be kept in front of the eyes to gain the most out of this country, resources and increased leverage if not outright territorial concessions. This is not China's war, let the Slavs kill each other, if US acts up threaten them with weapons supply to Russia, play them against each other, this is a wonderful once in a century opportunity to get back at Russia & the West combined, of course be careful not to push Russia away but other than that Russia should be thankful China is a responsible Superpower and won't be upto any mischief in the East while continuing to fill the technology & trade vaccum left by the West. Putin loves to dive deep into history while making his points, he will understand & appreciate China's position. Another bully in the 8 nation alliance not getting enough attention would be pathetic third world failed state India. For them I have no sympathy, should they fall into any precarious situation with Pakistan/ China, China shouldn't hold back at all. It is the one country I decisively advocate going to war against.
 

siegecrossbow

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The only reason Chinese propaganda is effective is because they show reality as it happens.

See that 300 mile highway cutting through the Gobi Desert? Not CGI, real.

See that giant patch of forest where sand dunes used to be? Not a build back better pipe dream, real.

On the other hand Western demonization of China has gotten so bad that it is cartoonish. There is only so much BS one could take before questioning it.

One example of this would be the Western media coverage of the Tangshan restaurant beatings in 2022. Don’t get me wrong, said beating was atrocious and people in China are rightfully angry about it. However, when MSM tried to parrot Chinese sentiments to the Western audience, people, especially ones living in the US, are confused about why it is such a big deal. It is true that criminal gangs are involved. It is true that women were beaten within an inch of their live and the whole thing is captured on camera. But for people living in a place where gun violence in common place and major metropolis like Chicago earn the nickname of Chiraq, where children get brutally shot by psychos with assault weapons, the fact that a severe no fatal beating gets national coverage in a supposed authoritarian hell hole like China is baffling. I know for a fact that there are some Americans who were confused by why it got so much attention in China and thought that the women were probably relatives of high level government officials!
 

Biscuits

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Or they could've been genuine. Russia plays both sides. In fact, they far prefer their European brethren to the asiatic hordes. If not for NATO's missteps, Russia wouldn't have turned to China. Even now you'll find Russian commentators complaining how China isn't doing enough to supply them and confront the US, while Russians are selflessly shedding blood directly fighting the hegemon. It's rather similar to how Ukraine (and to an extent all proxy states) beg and at the same time secretly resent the US. It's in Russia's natural interests to stir up trouble between east and west so that China is weakened and has no choice but to turn to Russia.

The "Christian" factor is funny but it's exactly the way white imperialistic states like Germany and Russia think. Never forget that Russia was also part of the 8 nation alliance. China's rise is no less existential to them and their worldview.
That is why it is important to keep a tight grip on Russia. Control over the northern hemisphere is the ultimate prize of the USSR breakup, and getting the Russians into Ukraine, where they're openly firing on westerners, means for now, the scramble for Russia is won for China.

Just having Russia as an anti western attack dog will not be enough. Reforming Russia will be China's greatest project in the few upcoming decades. Russia needs to shed it's western style government and adopt socialist values, which should be easy to accept for the population due to historical reasons.

If China plays its cards correctly, it will have returned the era of a strong of leftist bloc, Russia will experience an economic miracle comparable to that which China already went through and will become a poster project of the new era for the UN, a promise to languishing countries that anyone can reach development through democratic planning, anti-corruption and hard work.
 

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It's because Soros yesterday said "India would be better without Modi" or something to that affect. You can imagine that blew the hornet's nest wide open:

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Soros is doing what he does best and setting up India for harvesting but it may not be that easy. Anyway for this issue I recommend viewing with beer and popcorn.

A cooperation between China and India will effectively deal with this idiot.
 

Overbom

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According to Guanqi, the powers that be didn't want to open this can of worm initially because they were not confident that Chinese domestic media have what it takes to blow up this story.

But it seems like once the common people jumped on this on weibo and started dunking on the Americans they figured on well, might as well give it a try. The dude who went to Palestine wearing PPE is well known to have big balls and willing to go and report on spicy issues in the US. I think once the flood gate is open there won't be shortage of young Chinese reporters who would want to give Western media a taste of their own medicine so all this is good development.
Wait till the West finally finds out that the Great Firewall is more about protecting the West from China than the other way around lol
 

xypher

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Or they could've been genuine. Russia plays both sides. In fact, they far prefer their European brethren to the asiatic hordes. If not for NATO's missteps, Russia wouldn't have turned to China. Even now you'll find Russian commentators complaining how China isn't doing enough to supply them and confront the US, while Russians are selflessly shedding blood directly fighting the hegemon. It's rather similar to how Ukraine (and to an extent all proxy states) beg and at the same time secretly resent the US. It's in Russia's natural interests to stir up trouble between east and west so that China is weakened and has no choice but to turn to Russia.

The "Christian" factor is funny but it's exactly the way white imperialistic states like Germany and Russia think. Never forget that Russia was also part of the 8 nation alliance. China's rise is no less existential to them and their worldview.
True, too many people on this forum have this weird white-washing about Russia putting them on pedestal, forgetting that it is one of those white European empires that pillaged the world for centuries still holding stolen lands (like USA, UK, France, and other usual suspects). Some even think as if Russia is some non-racist paradise on a crusade vs "Nazis" when there is shitton of overt racism against Asians on the same level if not worse than in the West (like putting "will rent to white people only"). Truth is that the interests of Russia & China align and both are getting benefits from this kind of relationship - no side is doing charity and it's normal, people should really stop trying to equate how relationships work between countries to how relationships work between individual people. Countries are much closer to corporations in that regard.
 

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It's because Soros yesterday said "India would be better without Modi" or something to that affect. You can imagine that blew the hornet's nest wide open:

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Soros is doing what he does best and setting up India for harvesting but it may not be that easy. Anyway for this issue I recommend viewing with beer and popcorn.
I predicted there would be a massive online media war between America and Indians last year when they started pressuring Modi to sanction Russia. With all these recent developments, (Adani, the BBC article and now Soros) it may actually be happening now.

Once Soros has denounced you it usually means a colour revolution is brewing. Saffron is obviously out, maybe a lotus revolution?

I agree, the fireworks are going to be quite spectacular. America/Team Soros has the technological advantage, but Indians have the advantage of sheer numbers...
 
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