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ACuriousPLAFan

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A unified Korea is not in the national interests of China
When the time finally comes, whether or not the Korean Peninsula is unified - The region on that peninsula which borders China MUST be kept and maintained under pro-China governance.

Whether that pro-China governance be:
1. China-friendly state;
2. Puppet state of China; or
3. Under direct Beijing rule as the 33rd province of China -
China must prevent the Americans from having direct land and aerial access to Dongbei (Northeast China) and Beijing by having a buffer zone on the peninsula, in case the peninsula cannot be unified under a pro-China state in the forseeable future.

Of course, the ultimate aim for China should be the complete and permanent withdraw/ousting of American military, political and social influence and control from the Korean Peninsula.

Alternatively, let the north use all their nukes on the south, after which China will overthrow kim and condemn the use of nukes blah blah

Korea now becomes liaodong province
Do you think South Korea and the US wouldn't launch a full-scale invasion against North Korea when that happens in order to finish off what they have left 7 decades ago?

China would be clashing face-to-face with South Korea and the US for the following grab on the peninsula - militarily, politically, economically, or any combination of those, whether or not Beijing wants that to happen.

In my opinion, the most important thing is for North Korea to do more reforms like China did over the last 40 years. Northern Chinese provinces are not in good shape economically, and Dongbei could profit a lot from it.
I know that the 2020 South Korean movie Steel Rain 2 can leave bad taste in those here who have watched it mainly because of how the movie storyline has deliberately defamed China.

But here's one particular scene from the movie which I would like to bring to note, especially in the first 1 minute and 24 seconds of the clip:

Notice what the coup leader i.e. Supreme Guard Command in the movie has said after he shot the Director of the GBP.

As a preface, I'm not saying your suggestion about North Korea should reopen and do more reforms like China did 40 years ago is completely wrong.

However, remember that when China and Vietnam launched their reopening and reform efforts in the 1980s and 1990s, they have the backing of the entire (or at least, the absolute majority of the) Chinese and Vietnamese people, respectively. Which means, just like what that coup leader said in the movie - If the reopening and reform efforts have failed in China and Vietnam, their entire countries are still being bounded by unity of (almost) all of their people, and that China and Vietnam wouldn't have to deal with the risk of being completely taken over by other countries.

This factor is, unfortunately, absent on North Korea. South Korea alone, for being the distant sibling of North Korea, has the population, industrial, military, political and social+cultural advantage compared to her northern neighbour. If North Korea were to blindly follow whatever their Chinese and Vietnamese allies have done in the past, the changes and transformations in North Korea would shake the entire foundation of the country itself not seen since the end of the Second World War.

Therefore, what do you guys think would happen to the Kim Dynasty and the leadership level after that? Would they be happy to surrender their country to South Korea? Or would they be more than reluctant to allow that to happen in order to safeguard their position and power? I think you guys know the answer.

This is why we don't see Pyongyang follows Beijing's footsteps for the past 4-5 decades.
This is also why despite being China's solid ally, North Korea has never intended to join the Belt and Road Initiative.
This is why North Korea stubbornly locked and shutted itself from the rest of the world as well.

Speaking of Dongbei, the main reason for them becoming the "Rust Belt of China", apart from their colder climate and distance from major Chinese urban megaregions, is that their location bordering the Korean Peninsula. Their geopolitical location has Dongbei unsafe due to the nuclearization of the peninsula and the ever-present possibility of a reignited Korean War. This is also why the Fujian and Zhejiang Provinces are relatively underdeveloped compared to their Guangdong and Shanghai neighbours - Because they are located right opposite Taiwan (and thus, wartime frontline in the future).
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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The PRC ambassador to the USA, Qin Gang, has been appointed as successor to Wang Yi as the new Minister of Foreign Affairs of the PRC.


It is also said that Wang Yi will not retire from his government job. As one of the 24 members of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, Wang Yi is expected to succeed Yang Jiechi (i.e. Tiger Yang) as China's de facto top diplomat.

Does Qin Gang speak any language(s) other than Chinese and English? For Wang Yi, that would be Japanese.
 

Strangelove

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The PRC ambassador to the USA, Qin Gang, has been appointed as successor to Wang Yi as the new Minister of Foreign Affairs of the PRC.


It is also said that Wang Yi will not retire from his government job. As one of the 24 members of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, Wang Yi is expected to succeed Yang Jiechi (i.e. Tiger Yang) as China's de facto top diplomat.

Does Qin Gang speak any language(s) other than Chinese and English? For Wang Yi, that would be Japanese.

Wang Yi is still in his prime, his experience and aggressiveness are very much needed in PRC diplomacy as we enter Cold War 2.0. Yang can be a bit soft at times.
 

Strangelove

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Moscow-Beijing military cooperation ‘key’ for international stability – Putin​

During a virtual meeting with China’s Xi, the Russian president hailed their shared wish for a “truly democratic” world order

Moscow-Beijing military cooperation ‘key’ for international stability – Putin

© Kremlin press service

The Russian-Chinese strategic partnership has multiple aspects, with military cooperation being a key component, Russian President Vladimir Putin told his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping in a call on Friday. The two nations share a vision of a more just future world, he said.

Putin and Xi held bilateral talks via video link, with opening remarks by both leaders televised to the public. The Russian president said he welcomed the rapid development of political, economic, humanitarian and other ties with China.

Military cooperation is particularly important, he stressed, saying that it “fosters the security of both of our nations and stability in key regions” of the world. He said concerted actions by Moscow and Beijing help create “a just world order based on international law”.

“You and I have similar views on the reasons, progress and the logic of the ongoing transformation of the global geopolitical landscape,”
he observed.

Amid unprecedented pressure and provocation by the West, we are standing up for our principled positions, defending not only our interests, but the interests of those who support a truly democratic world order and the right of nations to determine their fate.

Xi agreed that the international situation was in turmoil and said that China was prepared to “improve strategic cooperation with Russia to provide opportunities for development for each other” and to be “global partners in the interest of our peoples and for the sake of stability in the entire world.”

The US has designated both China and Russia as strategic rivals and accused them of trying to undermine the “rules-based order.” Beijing believes that Washington is trapped in a “Cold War mentality” and that it rejects “win-win cooperation” for geopolitical reasons. Moscow says the US is trying to preserve its hegemonic position in the face of a natural rise of alternative power centers in the modern world.
 

Phead128

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When the time finally comes, whether or not the Korean Peninsula is unified - The region on that peninsula which borders China MUST be kept and maintained under pro-China governance.

Whether that pro-China governance be:
1. China-friendly state;
2. Puppet state of China; or
3. Under direct Beijing rule as the 33rd province of China -
China must prevent the Americans from having direct land and aerial access to Dongbei (Northeast China) and Beijing by having a buffer zone on the peninsula, in case the peninsula cannot be unified under a pro-China state in the forseeable future.

Of course, the ultimate aim for China should be the complete and permanent withdraw/ousting of American military, political and social influence and control from the Korean Peninsula.


Do you think South Korea and the US wouldn't launch a full-scale invasion against North Korea when that happens in order to finish off what they have left 7 decades ago?

China would be clashing face-to-face with South Korea and the US for the following grab on the peninsula - militarily, politically, economically, or any combination of those, whether or not Beijing wants that to happen.


I know that the 2020 South Korean movie Steel Rain 2 can leave bad taste in those here who have watched it mainly because of how the movie storyline has deliberately defamed China.

But here's one particular scene from the movie which I would like to bring to note, especially in the first 1 minute and 24 seconds of the clip:

Notice what the coup leader i.e. Supreme Guard Command in the movie has said after he shot the Director of the GBP.

As a preface, I'm not saying your suggestion about North Korea should reopen and do more reforms like China did 40 years ago is completely wrong.

However, remember that when China and Vietnam launched their reopening and reform efforts in the 1980s and 1990s, they have the backing of the entire (or at least, the absolute majority of the) Chinese and Vietnamese people, respectively. Which means, just like what that coup leader said in the movie - If the reopening and reform efforts have failed in China and Vietnam, their entire countries are still being bounded by unity of (almost) all of their people, and that China and Vietnam wouldn't have to deal with the risk of being completely taken over by other countries.

This factor is, unfortunately, absent on North Korea. South Korea alone, for being the distant sibling of North Korea, has the population, industrial, military, political and social+cultural advantage compared to her northern neighbour. If North Korea were to blindly follow whatever their Chinese and Vietnamese allies have done in the past, the changes and transformations in North Korea would shake the entire foundation of the country itself not seen since the end of the Second World War.

Therefore, what do you guys think would happen to the Kim Dynasty and the leadership level after that? Would they be happy to surrender their country to South Korea? Or would they be more than reluctant to allow that to happen in order to safeguard their position and power? I think you guys know the answer.

This is why we don't see Pyongyang follows Beijing's footsteps for the past 4-5 decades.
This is also why despite being China's solid ally, North Korea has never intended to join the Belt and Road Initiative.
This is why North Korea stubbornly locked and shutted itself from the rest of the world as well.

Speaking of Dongbei, the main reason for them becoming the "Rust Belt of China", apart from their colder climate and distance from major Chinese urban megaregions, is that their location bordering the Korean Peninsula. Their geopolitical location has Dongbei unsafe due to the nuclearization of the peninsula and the ever-present possibility of a reignited Korean War. This is also why the Fujian and Zhejiang Provinces are relatively underdeveloped compared to their Guangdong and Shanghai neighbours - Because they are located right opposite Taiwan (and thus, wartime frontline in the future).
Exactly.... North Korea is only 650KM (400miles) away from Beijing capital, the most strategically important region of all China. So North Korea is a defacto extension of the Great Wall of China, a 1 million man army with nuclear weapons, that must be under China's sphere of influence at all cost.

A unified Korea with nuclear weapons is not in China's interest, since that would justify and initiate Japanese nuclear armament, so any unification must come with denuclearization, China should intervene to remove nuclear weapons if necessary.
 

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Moscow-Beijing military cooperation ‘key’ for international stability – Putin​

During a virtual meeting with China’s Xi, the Russian president hailed their shared wish for a “truly democratic” world order

Moscow-Beijing military cooperation ‘key’ for international stability – Putin

© Kremlin press service

The Russian-Chinese strategic partnership has multiple aspects, with military cooperation being a key component, Russian President Vladimir Putin told his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping in a call on Friday. The two nations share a vision of a more just future world, he said.

Putin and Xi held bilateral talks via video link, with opening remarks by both leaders televised to the public. The Russian president said he welcomed the rapid development of political, economic, humanitarian and other ties with China.

Military cooperation is particularly important, he stressed, saying that it “fosters the security of both of our nations and stability in key regions” of the world. He said concerted actions by Moscow and Beijing help create “a just world order based on international law”.

“You and I have similar views on the reasons, progress and the logic of the ongoing transformation of the global geopolitical landscape,”
he observed.



Xi agreed that the international situation was in turmoil and said that China was prepared to “improve strategic cooperation with Russia to provide opportunities for development for each other” and to be “global partners in the interest of our peoples and for the sake of stability in the entire world.”

The US has designated both China and Russia as strategic rivals and accused them of trying to undermine the “rules-based order.” Beijing believes that Washington is trapped in a “Cold War mentality” and that it rejects “win-win cooperation” for geopolitical reasons. Moscow says the US is trying to preserve its hegemonic position in the face of a natural rise of alternative power centers in the modern world.

Russia-China cooperation is the worst nightmare for the West. China should not stay on the sideline while the West gangs up on Russia. China will be next after Russia. Better to unite together with Russia and confront the West jointly. West is confronting Russia and China individually at the same time and using threat of sanctions to deter cooperation between the two nations. But China is getting sanctioned regardless so might as well fully support Russia.
 

Overbom

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Russia-China cooperation is the worst nightmare for the West. China should not stay on the sideline while the West gangs up on Russia. China will be next after Russia. Better to unite together with Russia and confront the West jointly. West is confronting Russia and China individually at the same time and using threat of sanctions to deter cooperation between the two nations. But China is getting sanctioned regardless so might as well fully support Russia.
China helps as much as it can. Don't forget that we are still living under US/Western hegemony. Given the circumstances, China is doing as much as it can.

Hopefully the US does something really stupid which would allow China to freely send armaments to Russia without suffering any serious blowback
 

manqiangrexue

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China helps as much as it can. Don't forget that we are still living under US/Western hegemony. Given the circumstances, China is doing as much as it can.
We're not really living under any hegemony anymore. It has become a competition. Hegemons don't have competition; they impose their will usually by words alone and failing that, can make a quick example out of the rebel by decisive military action or sanctions. Hegemons don't have rivals, they don't get defeated in trade wars, and they certainly don't go around the world screaming for help over a tech war they are losing only to be largly rejected. American hegemony is an old concept based on what America was right after the fall of the Soviet Union. We have moved beyond that and into the era of Sino-American rivalry.
Hopefully the US does something really stupid which would allow China to freely send armaments to Russia without suffering any serious blowback
China's support to Russia will be clandestine but crucial. It does not depend on what America does; we will not let Russia fail. At the same time, China has little interest in putting its weapons in a position where they can be captured and studied and the Russians are too arrogant to admit that once its student, China is now qualified to be its teacher in many areas of military technology. So China's support of Russia will very very unlikely evolve into direct armament transfer but rather remain as economic and logistic support to allow Russia to ramp up its own war effort.
 
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Phead128

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we will not let Russia fail.
I've asked in a separate thread, but what would constitute "fail", "serious trouble"? Feb 24th border restored, or NATO entrance into war, Moscow under threat? In first scenario, I can see China amplifying dual-use aid, intelligence sharing, ammunition. For the latter scenario, why wouldn't Russia start lobbing nukes, and China overtly giving weapons to Russia, since the world is ending anyways?
 
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