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Abominable

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I still think Iran shouldn't get nukes.

It's much better if they get up armed conventionally because that forces NATO to waste much limited resources on them. And American ultranationalists will entertain the delusion of being able to invade them, increasing the chance of a fatal misstep.

China can start a multi step plan to make Iran's forces a match for America in a regional war. Firstly transferring the knowhow to make top-down attack atgm and improved drones on a large scale, secondly selling anti stealth radars, export hq-16 and hq-9. Finally, the DF-21D can be made ready for Iranian purchase. By now, its an old missile and USA will soon acquire similar capability through its hypersonic/MARV program anyways.

Previously China has okayed the sale of basic DF-21 to Saudi Arabia, so it is not without precedence.
Iranian ballistic missiles are already pretty good, I doubt they'd be interested in getting them from China.

The Iran nuclear deal was dead right until the Russian war started. When that happened the Americans and Europeans frantically tried to restart it as they need Iranian oil and gas as an alternative to Russia. The Iranians refused to even talk about it, insisting Russia first be a party to discussions first.

I think Iran getting nukes is an inevitability. Russia now have no reason to cooperate with Iran militarily. Saudi Arabia will too, probably under a nuclear sharing agreement with Pakistan. It depends on how successful efforts being made to reconcile them are.

I don't have a problem with either having nuclear weapons, the only country they will be targeting is Israel, which already is a nuclear power.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
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I don't have a problem with either having nuclear weapons, the only country they will be targeting is Israel, which already is a nuclear power.
That's naive thinking, I assume you missed Iran's recent outrage towards China for some be reasons. There are no eternal enemies, only eternal interests.

Facts are that Iran getting nukes is not in China's interest (you may refer to the dozens of official Chinese statements about not wanting Iran not getting nuclear weapons). The China - US hegemonic clash will come and go (hopefully peacefully). Iran getting nukes would be a permanent, destabilizing, event.

In fact, Iran/Saudi Arabia/Israel should not have nuclear weapons. I wouldnt be against nuclear blackmail against Israel to dismantle its nuclear program in order to reach a Middle East-wide deal for the entire region to become non-nuclear.
 

Virtup

Junior Member
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That's naive thinking, I assume you missed Iran's recent outrage towards China for some be reasons. There are no eternal enemies, only eternal interests.

Facts are that Iran getting nukes is not in China's interest (you may refer to the dozens of official Chinese statements about not wanting Iran not getting nuclear weapons). The China - US hegemonic clash will come and go (hopefully peacefully). Iran getting nukes would be a permanent, destabilizing, event.

In fact, Iran/Saudi Arabia/Israel should not have nuclear weapons. I wouldnt be against nuclear blackmail against Israel to dismantle its nuclear program in order to reach a Middle East-wide deal for the entire region to become non-nuclear.
If you want to remove numes from ME, you should remove them from all other countries as well. Every nation on earth has the right to defend itself by any means available to the others. Saying otherwise is just racism.
Eventually, as our technology advances, nuclear proliferation will become inevitable, and all militaries should keep that in mind while planning their defence stratrgies.
 

Abominable

Major
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That's naive thinking, I assume you missed Iran's recent outrage towards China for some be reasons. There are no eternal enemies, only eternal interests.

Facts are that Iran getting nukes is not in China's interest (you may refer to the dozens of official Chinese statements about not wanting Iran not getting nuclear weapons). The China - US hegemonic clash will come and go (hopefully peacefully). Iran getting nukes would be a permanent, destabilizing, event.
There's no reason why Iran with nuclear weapons would affect China in any way. If Russia wants to aid Iran's nuclear programme I'd have no objections to it.

China made similar remarks with regards to North Korea, and even supported UN sanctions. It doesn't mean North Korea is a threat to China.
In fact, Iran/Saudi Arabia/Israel should not have nuclear weapons. I wouldnt be against nuclear blackmail against Israel to dismantle its nuclear program in order to reach a Middle East-wide deal for the entire region to become non-nuclear.
Agreed in principle, it would be better for the Middle East to be nuclear free. But while Israel has them, I don't see why Iran or even Saudi Arabia shouldn't. It's another western imposed imbalance that needs to be corrected.
 

Minm

Junior Member
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There's no reason why Iran with nuclear weapons would affect China in any way. If Russia wants to aid Iran's nuclear programme I'd have no objections to it.

China made similar remarks with regards to North Korea, and even supported UN sanctions. It doesn't mean North Korea is a threat to China.

Agreed in principle, it would be better for the Middle East to be nuclear free. But while Israel has them, I don't see why Iran or even Saudi Arabia shouldn't. It's another western imposed imbalance that needs to be corrected.
China shouldn't promote or tolerate nuclear proliferation anywhere, it just makes a nuclear Vietnam or South Korea or Japan more likely.

Both Saudi Arabia and Iran should have a right to develop nuclear weapons to defend themselves. But it's still in China's interest to prevent it. But you don't need actual nuclear weapons for nuclear deterrence in a regional context. A large stockpile of plutonium and the ability to produce highly enriched uranium are enough. Japan and Germany are thought to be on the threshold of developing nukes and it's not safe for any country to attack them unless they can ensure total victory within a few months. If Iran is a month from producing a functional warhead then that's enough deterrence to prevent an American invasion or Israeli attack but not enough of a threat to destabilise the region. Same for Saudi Arabia and turkey.
 
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