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But it is the third theatre of war – the influence war – where the west is faring unexpectedly poorly. There is a growing awareness that the west’s narrative that Putin is fighting a colonial war and is responsible for its ripple effects is meeting indifference and even resistance in the global south.

With more than 40% of wheat consumed in Africa usually coming from Russia and Ukraine, one of the key organisers of the G7 summit in Germany, Wolfgang Schmidt, said it was vital to prevent Moscow and Beijing from dividing the G7 from the so-called Brics countries by blaming western sanctions for the shortages. Germany had invited leaders from Indonesia, India, South Africa, Argentina and Senegal, in part to prevent Russia and China succeeding in their goal.

Schmidt said: “When you talk to leaders outside Europe and the alliance at the moment then you will realise their perception of the [Ukraine] war is completely different from ours. They might say: ‘Yes, we are not OK with a country invading another.’ But and then comes the big but: ‘It is your sanctions that drive up food prices, energy prices and have a devastating effect on our population.’”

Ann Linde, the Swedish foreign minister, said that during her meetings with Asian and African ministers she also came across a narrative that the west was more engaged in Ukraine than it has been in wars in the south.

Her Austrian counterpart, Alexander Schallenberg, said that in his recent travels in India and the Middle East he discovered that although the EU may have won the information war on Ukraine in Europe, “a very different narrative” existed elsewhere. Outside Europe “we are the culprits, we are the reason for oil, seeds, grain and energy not being on the market or overpriced,” he said. “This is a war in Europe. But there’s another European war, because the shockwaves can be felt everywhere. It’s the first war since the second world war where you can feel the effects globally.”
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Exactly. I suspect it’s the same in SEA.


scmp on widodo visit to Putin. Even though it’s clear to see that scampi is driving the western narrative on Russian blockade causing rising prices, but the visit is clear to see the result. Being a friendly country, Putin is selling fertilizer to Indonesia and promised wheat exports. Helping Indonesia with inflation. Now that Russia has left snake island and does not control the entire Black Sea, can the west still convince the global south that rising prices are due to Russia blockade?
 
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MortyandRick said:
Exactly. I suspect it’s the same in SEA.


scmp on widodo visit to Putin. Even though it’s clear to see that scampi is driving the western narrative on Russian blockade causing rising prices, but the visit is clear to see the result. Being a friendly country, Putin is selling fertilizer to Indonesia and promised wheat exports. Helping Indonesia with inflation. Now that Russia has left snake island and does not control the entire Black Sea, can the west still convince the global south that rising prices are due to Russia blockade?
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IMO it is in Putin's interest to block Ukrainian food sales to the rest of the world in order to push the rest of the world to push back against Western sanctions and the Ukrainian war from continuing

However, Putin also needs to not been seen as doing this "immoral" stuff so he needs to find a way to be seen as an innocent/bystander party in this

At the moment, Western sanctions and Russia/China messaging have successfully convinced the global south that it is the West that is inflicting pain on them with their sanctions. So, IMO, round won by Russia on this.

I would be curious to see how Russia would respond if the West starts doing more sanctions exceptions in order to start punching holes in that narrative.
However, I think the chances that the West could manage to turn around the world's opinion are quite low because the whole world can clearly see with their own eyes who really started the war, and who is making all these commodities more expensive

In any case, the West is losing the battle against Russia/China in the Global South
 
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Overbom said:
IMO it is in Putin's interest to block Ukrainian food sales to the rest of the world in order to push the rest of the world to push back against Western sanctions and the Ukrainian war from continuing

However, Putin also needs to not been seen as doing this "immoral" stuff so he needs to find a way to be seen as an innocent/bystander party in this

At the moment, Western sanctions and Russia/China messaging have successfully convinced the global south that it is the West that is inflicting pain on them with their sanctions. So, IMO, round won by Russia on this.

I would be curious to see how Russia would respond if the West starts doing more sanctions exceptions in order to start punching holes in that narrative.
However, I think the chances that the West could manage to turn around the world's opinion are quite low because the whole world can clearly see with their own eyes who really started the war, and who is making all these commodities more expensive

In any case, the West is losing the battle against Russia/China in the Global South
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Indonesia, Brazil, Nigeria. In that order, they represent the significance of largely independent developing countries, and increasingly play swing roles in global chess matches. Amazingly, so far, non of them is standing on the side of the west on Russia.

I would consider re-evaluating my assessment of the war if and when one of them is publicly moving toward the west. But I seriously doubt that would happen if Russia continues its cautious war path instead of shock and awe.
 
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The Supreme Court of the US went full rogue. And Chen Weihue has nice commentary as always.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1543171761386266624
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We can cheers to that.

Where's Radio Free America?
 
FriedButter

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4Runner said:
Indonesia, Brazil, Nigeria. In that order, they represent the significance of largely independent developing countries, and increasingly play swing roles in global chess matches. Amazingly, so far, non of them is standing on the side of the west on Russia.

I would consider re-evaluating my assessment of the war if and when one of them is publicly moving toward the west. But I seriously doubt that would happen if Russia continues its cautious war path instead of shock and awe.
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I doubt a shock and awe would chance their stance all that much. Just take a look at Sri Lanka. If fertizilier and fuel prices strong rocket even higher than those developing countries are in a bigger pickle and won’t have much of a choice to pick otherwise.
 
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I doubt a shock and awe would chance their stance all that much. Just take a look at Sri Lanka. If fertizilier and fuel prices strong rocket even higher than those developing countries are in a bigger pickle and won’t have much of a choice to pick otherwise.
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Asking developing countries to pick a side is a moronic idea from the beginning , it’s like banning Russian artists and cats, definitely doable,but what’s the fucking point? They aren’t going to stand strong against those cheap products anyway, when the promises don’t realize , it’s gonna backfire and ruin the whole strategy
 
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