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Overbom said:

In his hypothetical 50, 100, 200 years future, climate change doesn't exist...

Its 2022 and India is already getting slapped left and right by climate change. Imagine what India would like in 50, 100, 200 years lol

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This or this

bluetree700 said:

I'm Chinese

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Weird flex

FriedButter said:

Tons of swing voters changing to republican. The economy won’t be fixed even if the Ukraine war ends today so that means the Democrats are dead for the foreseeable future.

I expect to see more anti-China rhetoric to raise when Trump comes back and the demand to make China pay back for Covid.

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Hilarious. Democrats fund fascists in intra-imperial rivalries in the hopes that they'd be too extreme for the electorate, but it turns out the electorate prefer the fascists to the Dems.

bluetree700 said:

unless you believe Indians are somehow less intelligent.

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Except they are, by 20 IQ points lol.

bluetree700 said:

I'm Chinese

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Regardless, what do you think is India's demographic advantage?

supersnoop said:

No, it was "Clubber Lang", this is not the actual user, but obvious reference
Maybe it is childish, but I don't even want to print out his actual handle because I find him really irritating
Putting it this way. It is like his parents were a Republican and and FLG.
Western superiority, freedom freedom freedom, democracy, Taiwan #1, destroy the CCP

Basically all his posts in a nutshell

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For the people where this is actually true... I pity the foo

FairAndUnbiased said:

Hilarious. Democrats fund fascists in intra-imperial rivalries in the hopes that they'd be too extreme for the electorate, but it turns out the electorate prefer the fascists to the Dems.

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This is an old strategy, that's how comrade Trump was elected.

bluetree700 said:

This is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, there is no "endgame" where China can win forever and eternally. Geopolitical games never end, and rivals will never stop emerging. You can cherry pick however many comparisons you want at whatever point in time you want, which is in fact what all China-haters do when they downplay anything China does, but the fact of the matter is that India does have the prerequiste population and demographics to challenge China in 50, 100, 200 years. Fostering a willing ignorance and sense of superiority now toward any country will coalesce into a psychological inability of future generations decades in the future to even comprehend the idea that "shithole" countries would have anything worth learning from.

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Just putting this out there for all in this thread:

1. I agree with @bluetree700's points completely. It is better to be prepared and mindful of a minute but non-zero probability, than to "do an America" and ignore / downplay until it is too late.

2. One thing I want to watch out for is falling into the same thinking patterns of westerners in the 90's and early 2000's with regard to China. Look into just about any western article on China from that period and you will see what I'm talking about. Complacency is a bitch, and no-one wants to see China replay the 1990-2020 America act.

3. While various facts have been pointed out in previous messages (with ample proof), that contrast China's development and makeup against India's, incremental improvements in large populations still do make a difference. Quantity is a quality of it's own (and this argument is already sounding familiar to 2000's era western arguments).

martinwagner said:

Well, the guy that runs Worldaffairs.blog, is an indian himself, wrote a pretty good analysis of India's future.

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Its pretty bleak.

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The suggestions at the end though are actually good, basically what China has been doing. Seems unlikely to be implemented though.

To change the trajectory, India needs to do seven things:

1. Lure Indian engineers and scientists abroad to come back home.
2. Increase tax on corporations and wealthy individuals, and use that money wisely to build infrastructure. To solve the urgent water problem, India must build numerous desalination plants all around its coastline. Also, thousands of reservoirs should be built to capture and store the monsoon rain. (Of course, the government must be made more transparent and accountable, else the extra tax revenue will just line the pockets of politicians).
3. Stop warmongering. Make peace with China and use Chinese expertise to develop India. For example, China makes 99% of electric buses in the world. So, rather than spending $5 billion on new fighter jets from Russia and France, why not spend that $5 billion on Chinese electric buses? Reduce pollution and solve the border issues in one stroke. (Delhi can be like Shenzhen, where all the
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4. Active public-private partnership to create jobs and turn trade deficit into trade surplus.
5. Change FDI laws. If foreign corporations want to invest in India, it shouldn’t be ownership in existing Indian corporations. FDI should involve new companies (preferably joint ventures) that create net new jobs.
6. Join more free trade agreements like RCEP. Only competition can improve productivity and fuel innovation.
7. Fix the media. Right now, Indian mainstream media is a landfill of sensationalism and ignorance. The country needs fact-based, data-driven, and intellectual discussions to chart a bright future.

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tygyg1111 said:

Just putting this out there for all in this thread:

1. I agree with @bluetree700's points completely. It is better to be prepared and mindful of a minute but non-zero probability, than to "do an America" and ignore / downplay until it is too late.

2. One thing I want to watch out for is falling into the same thinking patterns of westerners in the 90's and early 2000's. Look into just about any article on China from that period and you will see what I'm talking about. Complacency is a bitch, and no-one wants to see China replay the 1990-2020 America act.

3. While various facts have been pointed out in previous messages (with ample proof), that contrast China's development and makeup against India's, incremental improvements in large populations still do make a difference. Quantity is a quality of it's own (and this argument is already sounding familiar to 2000's era western arguments).

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Not our problem. There will never be "the next China", the west will make sure of it. Look at how much the west is seething now, cause China is beating them. They regret and cope every day "letting" China develop, do you really think the west will slip up again and let India be the next China?
The west has more to lose from an Indian superpower than China does, thus the rise of India really isn't China's problem.

Since India is now the topic of the thread, I have a couple of questions: How many useful people - defined as being able to participate in a modern economy - does India have? Let's suppose against the totality of the evidence that India will actually develop successfully, what do you propose China do about it? "Don't be complacent" is a meaningless buzz-phrase; what are the concrete actions China can take?