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Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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And how does that invalidate what i'm saying? You seems upset because of : "CN is weaker"

Maybe but crippling sanctions will come
You seem insistent with your rather one sided views that sanctions against China and the negative effects it'll have is simply one sided affair. You also seemed to have the rather confusing views that because Russia is being severely affected by the sanctions will somehow have the same result to China. My answer to that is just LOL while there's no question that China will be negatively affected by the sanctions but similar negative devastating effect will be inflicted to the U.S. and her vassals that's not hyperbole that's simply based on the interdependence/interconnectivity of Chinese economy to western economies.

And am quite surprised that a knowledgeable fellow like you seems to have forgotten the huge disparity of the economic importance and sizes between that of Russia and China. Russia a country who's then economic size was not in the top 5 and whose economic strength was primaly heavily focused on natural commodities, and military hardware exports vs China who's economy is already the largest in the world in PPP terms, the 2nd largest in nominal GDP terms, the largest trading partner of 132 countries in the world versus 67 or so with the U.S. the largest creditor in the world, the largest manufacturing country in the world.

Unless you can show any guaranteed studies with model shown that U.S. economy will not suffer some cataclysmic outcome if they even come close to proceeding with their "super duper sanctions" against China then people like myself are all interested in looking at that data. But that nonsense does not exist, the only pronouncements I keep on hearing, seeing are the arrogance of American political-think tank class that assumes their power is everlasting, in other words their assumptions, assertions aren't back by anything at all other than the Supreme belief in American sloganeering and nothing else.

The mistakes a lot of people who seem to conflate Russia with China shows how arrogance have replaced objective/comparative analysis of power not to mention the existential, historical differences between Ukraine issue to that of Taiwan. The fact that most western leaning "analysts" keep on deluding not only themselves and also their sheeps a.k.a. constituencies will inevitably bring the shocking realization once the Taiwan conflict becomes kinetic. The false bravado, not to mention misplaced confidence that China/PLA/CPC will be prevented from realizing their long held mission is simply going to be shattered.
 

emblem21

Major
Registered Member
Even the Russians have joined in with the elder abuse.
But these elders are evil so really does anyone are. Also since they are responsible for this current predicament that is happening in the EU and thus the UK in the coming months and since they obviously want to go back to the colonial days as a power, well they couldn’t suffer enough abuse, even a fart in there general direction is much appreciated.
 

emblem21

Major
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Strange … for me as a German it sounds more than arrogant to be judged by someone who seems to know NOTHING about us Germans.
Interestingly enough, what are the current prospects for the future in Germany given the current predicament. Given that you are German, what hope is there right now with the current gas crisis that is soon going to become an economic and social crisis. For the current performance of the current German chancellor, I cannot imagine Merkel being anywhere near as bad as Sholz
 

Coalescence

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The mistakes a lot of people who seem to conflate Russia with China shows how arrogance have replaced objective/comparative analysis of power not to mention the existential, historical differences between Ukraine issue to that of Taiwan. The fact that most western leaning "analysts" keep on deluding not only themselves and also their sheeps a.k.a. constituencies will inevitably bring the shocking realization once the Taiwan conflict becomes kinetic. The false bravado, not to mention misplaced confidence that China/PLA/CPC will be prevented from realizing their long held mission is simply going to be shattered.
What's even funnier about their arrogance and hubris is that even after deploying their "economic nuclear option", Russia's economy is still working alright, while their economies are under huge stress from all the inflation and debt, and they may soon have their first world lifestyle collapse back into a substandard one. Their attempts at making an Iron curtain is already showing signs of failing, the globalization world order they ironically build up has shown to be hard to overthrow.

Russia have planned for this moment, you can see it from all the article they published in RT about it. They want to create a new financial world order that attempt to put the West on the same playing field, a more fairer system where nations wouldn't be saddled and drowned with debt and not be exploited by a select few country. Once more players join this new order, the legitimacy and strength of it becomes bigger (Especially if China were to join it).
 

horse

Colonel
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Once more players join this new order, the legitimacy and strength of it becomes bigger (Especially if China were to join it).

It is the RCEP.

In the long run, they probably will use a lot less dollars. Maybe none for some.

The RCEP is the world's largest trading block, and the fastest block anywhere, with manufacturing, high tech, and natural resources.

They don't need to use the dollar, if they do not have to. The United States is not part of RCEP. The United States is not part of any big sized trade block in Asia. Not this big. RCEP is game changing big. Trump size! :rolleyes:

This new world order already here.

These things just take time to change.

:):D
 

Coalescence

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It is the RCEP.

In the long run, they probably will use a lot less dollars. Maybe none for some.

The RCEP is the world's largest trading block, and the fastest block anywhere, with manufacturing, high tech, and natural resources.

They don't need to use the dollar, if they do not have to.

This new world order already here.

These things just take time to change.
EAEU+RCEP+BRI+BRICS and many other organizations, they all synergize together. Yes, it will only take time but eventually they'll succeed, especially since US wants to destroy their own economy by deglobalizing it.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

Brigadier
Registered Member
Oh ho-ho-ho, now you (represented by the WSJ) suddenly found out that it's NOT THE WORLD that is sanctioning Russia, huh?

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So much for "iNTeRnAti0nAL ComMUnItTy" - Take #2.

And what do you even expect?

After colonizing, enslaving and exploting these Global South nations, alongside their "dirt poor, filthy, starving, uncivilized lowlife" population (which your West bunch so often jeer them as) for decades and centuries - Now you expect them to support your cause in the mess that you yourselves created in the first place?

Give us all a long-deserved break.

Unlike you bunch of woketards in the West, many of these Global South nations are more concerned about putting enough food on their plates for the day. They have neither the money nor the energy to spare on all those "woke" mess that the woketards in the West has created for themselves.

To be frank, many of these Global South countries don't really care whether Russia or Ukraine or NATO is right or wrong or blablabla. All they truly care is whether the supply of vital goods, such as wheat, grain and flour from Russia is enough for the coming weeks and months. Sanctioning Russia and refusing to buy Russian wheat, grain and flour for the sake of "iNTeRnAtiOnAL UNiTy" means outright death sentence for these countries, and they aren't stuipid.

Not like the Western woketards can offer any viable alternatives either. Bugger off, please.
 
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Strangelove

Colonel
Registered Member
You seem insistent with your rather one sided views that sanctions against China and the negative effects it'll have is simply one sided affair. You also seemed to have the rather confusing views that because Russia is being severely affected by the sanctions will somehow have the same result to China. My answer to that is just LOL while there's no question that China will be negatively affected by the sanctions but similar negative devastating effect will be inflicted to the U.S. and her vassals that's not hyperbole that's simply based on the interdependence/interconnectivity of Chinese economy to western economies.

And am quite surprised that a knowledgeable fellow like you seems to have forgotten the huge disparity of the economic importance and sizes between that of Russia and China. Russia a country who's then economic size was not in the top 5 and whose economic strength was primaly heavily focused on natural commodities, and military hardware exports vs China who's economy is already the largest in the world in PPP terms, the 2nd largest in nominal GDP terms, the largest trading partner of 132 countries in the world versus 67 or so with the U.S. the largest creditor in the world, the largest manufacturing country in the world.

Unless you can show any guaranteed studies with model shown that U.S. economy will not suffer some cataclysmic outcome if they even come close to proceeding with their "super duper sanctions" against China then people like myself are all interested in looking at that data. But that nonsense does not exist, the only pronouncements I keep on hearing, seeing are the arrogance of American political-think tank class that assumes their power is everlasting, in other words their assumptions, assertions aren't back by anything at all other than the Supreme belief in American sloganeering and nothing else.

The mistakes a lot of people who seem to conflate Russia with China shows how arrogance have replaced objective/comparative analysis of power not to mention the existential, historical differences between Ukraine issue to that of Taiwan. The fact that most western leaning "analysts" keep on deluding not only themselves and also their sheeps a.k.a. constituencies will inevitably bring the shocking realization once the Taiwan conflict becomes kinetic. The false bravado, not to mention misplaced confidence that China/PLA/CPC will be prevented from realizing their long held mission is simply going to be shattered.

Maybe it's the China-made fentanyl that's causing them memory loss and confusion... so they're forgetting China overwhelmingly won Trump's trade war and sanctions, the US trade deficit with China is now even greater than in 2017 when Trump said trade wars are easy to win...he's right, for China that is, not the US. The only difference now is more countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE, all of ASEAN) are giving 'murikkka the middle finger and standing up against its oppression. More sanctions and "consequences"? which really translate into more inflation, and thus more poverty, homeless and crime in the US. LOL...
 
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