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supersnoop

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Those visit objectives are not to stop Chinese economy from growing or stop the development of the PLA. They are Salami tactic strategy to change the status quo like CN has done in SCS.

But what I mean is that Taiwan is not a salami, you cannot Salami independence, it's binary
Politicians visiting is window dressing and cannot change the status quo.
Non-independence moves are all binary as well
Presidential visit, US military base, formal diplomatic relations with ambassador
You could argue that China does not have to start a war over those things, but would the US really do that?

The growth of the Chinese economy DOES change the status quo
25 years ago, you could not fly direct between Mainland and Taiwan
25 years ago, you could not imagine water pipe from Fujian to Kinmen and regular ferry service
Those are big changes

Developing the PLA, well that is obvious... it can definitely change the status quo!
 

Mohsin77

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The reason is IK wanted to renegotiate signed CPEC projects with China. Xi told him to pound sound and then IK held CPEC projects hostage in order to force China to renegotiate. China simply waited and then IK realised that he couldnt get a renegotiation from China.

He was too inexperienced. He didn't understand why China couldn't renegotiate these contracts. Imagine if Xi backed down and then everyone from BRI countries were emboldened to follow IK's tactics and do the same..

This is why I said not to over-simplify things and get too emotional.

IK did make mistakes both in domestic affairs and external relations (with both US and China.) CPEC progress was slower than expected. China issued formal statements to this effect during IK's tenure. Like I said, the opponents of IK also have genuine grievances.

The people claiming the Army has been involved in a coup against IK in support of the US is just crap. Not even IK said that. What PTI said is that the US hates IK and doesn't want him to be PM. (And the PTI will still use this in their narrative.)

Somehow, people freaked out and thought that means Pakistan is going to re-align with the US against China, which makes zero sense. That's not even an option. The vast majority of Pakistani military platforms are Chinese, and even our C4I is dependent on Chinese SATINT and BeiDou sattelites. If the Pak military had any intention of 're-alignment' we wouldn't have spent billions buying S-20 subs, J-10Cs and VT-4 tanks, all of which happened recently. Besides that, the idea that the US and Pakistan will suddenly trust each other because IK got de-seated is hilarious. Even without IK, the US is not going to trust the Pakistani 'deep state' and vice versa.

IK got de-seated because of mistakes he made + foreign pressure. The Army stopped supporting him because of the mistakes, not because of foreign pressure. But with all of that said, this doesn't mean the Army is going to support PDM either. I think are actually trying to be 'neutral' right now, and see which side gets the most public support. Personally, I think Imran Khan and PTI is still better than the PDM crooks. Which is why I hope IK learns from his mistakes and makes a comeback. And if he learns, the Army will support him again.

The rest is all domestic political drama. What is now clear to everyone is how much support you can get in Pakistan by merely mentioning the words "US conspiracy" lolz. Millions come out on the streets in 5 minutes against the US. That itself is a perfect example of why there is zero trust between Pakistan and the US. The Pakistani public really does not like the US, that much is very clear.
 
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Coalescence

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In unsurprising news, CIA agent wants to attend the upcoming Quad summit

"South Korean President-elect Yoon Suk-yeol has unofficially approached the [Quad] about attending the group's upcoming summit in Japan as an observer, a high-ranking gov't official told Nikkei, as the incoming leader pursues stronger ties with [Tokyo/DC]"
Damn, not only he wants his population to work more than 120 hours a week and eat deregulated food for cheap. But he also wants to increase tensions with their biggest trade partner and threaten their nuclear armed neighbor at north, both for absolutely no good reason. This guy is really Korean Trump lol
 

Michaelsinodef

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Damn, not only he wants his population to work more than 120 hours a week and eat deregulated food for cheap. But he also wants to increase tensions with their biggest export partner and threaten their nuclear armed neighbor at north, both for absolutely no good reason. This guy is really Korean Trump lol
Hey, don't compare him to our comrade Trump!

More seriously though, Trump at the very least wasn't a servant/dog of a foreign power (although he was stupid and short sighted).
 

BlackWindMnt

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Damn, not only he wants his population to work more than 120 hours a week and eat deregulated food for cheap. But he also wants to increase tensions with their biggest export partner and threaten their nuclear armed neighbor at north, both for absolutely no good reason. This guy is really Korean Trump lol
Seems like the south Koreans are also choosing to commit hara kiri. Russia should increase its economic interaction with (North)Korea later China can join.
 

Coalescence

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Hey, don't compare him to our comrade Trump!

More seriously though, Trump at the very least wasn't a servant/dog of a foreign power (although he was stupid and short sighted).
At least Trump is funny as well. While this guy looks like he's going to turn his entire country into Squid Game, and become the host of it to entertain his foreign masters.
 
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