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4Runner

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And there will be those who love their motherland but want to align it as a pro-US client state. Why should China give foreign westerners even more power to influence China Domestic politics?

Your only answer to that is to put blind faith in people to do what’s right.

That sure went well when the CIA was rampant with bribing officials until their circlejerk got obliterated like a decade ago.
Man! I bet you were not growing up in China like me. My basic stance is that, if I could do it, then other Chinese can do it also. And it is only fair that all Chinese inside China can have the same opportunity for their own lives. Isn't that we have been trying all along in "团结起来,振兴中华"? I doubt you even know that thing.
 

manqiangrexue

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That part says you don't understand ICT in general and Internet security in particular. Let's say, for the sake of comparison, US does not have anything like GFW. But I guarantee you that the Internet in US is as secure as in China with GFW. To ordinary people, the Internet is free of cross-country cross-domain. In reality, it it not. This is THE reason I put the ICT competence and the Internet security in this argument. I am not saying a wide-open Internet that allows anyone does anything, unchecked or unregulated or unmonitored. That is not what the Internet inside US actually is. You probably are just not aware of it.
I don't know what you're talking about; it sounds like you want to regulate China's internet into something like what the GFW does but without it. Makes no sense to me. In layman terms, how do you want the average Chinese internet user's experience changed?

I'm not a computer or ICT guy, but I know that the CCP has top experts and more resources at its disposal than you could possibly understand. And then, you called them foolish. In my life experience, when unproven people call an established highly competent person/entity foolish, that person is the one who is way over his head. Imagine being at an Einstein lecture and one guy stands up and calls Einstein stupid. You're that guy to me.
 

manqiangrexue

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Man! I bet you were not growing up in China like me.
Irrelevent to the issue.
My basic stance is that, if I could do it, then other Chinese can do it also.
This is idealistic and wrong. People are naturally of varying competency and mental/genetic build. If you were an average person and you could just about do it, then it means that the half the population will fail. On other things, you may fail where others succeed. I've never assumed that others can do what I can do or vice versa.
And it is only fair that all Chinese inside China can have the same opportunity for their own lives.
What does this sentence mean? What oppertunity? It's like a drug dealer saying that some people can naturally resist the need to do drugs so you should let your kids try some and have the oppertunity to decide for their own lives.
Isn't that we have been trying all along in "团结起来,振兴中华"? I doubt you even know that thing.
No, we're trying to unify the people so using our combined strength, we push Chinese power to the top of the world. If you think that anything's more important than that, then you certainly don't know a thing.
 
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FriedButter

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Man! I bet you were not growing up in China like me. My basic stance is that, if I could do it, then other Chinese can do it also. And it is only fair that all Chinese inside China can have the same opportunity for their own lives. Isn't that we have been trying all along in "团结起来,振兴中华"? I doubt you even know that thing.

You say that I know nothing and yet you keep deflecting and avoiding the question of foreign influence and the massive corruption from the CIA operation a decade ago.

Let me ask you since you keep avoiding it. I will even bold it and make the text bigger so you can’t miss.

Why are you so insistent on compromising national security?
 

4Runner

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I don't know what you're talking about; it sounds like you want to regulate China's internet into something like what the GFW does but without it. Makes no sense to me. In layman terms, how do you want the average Chinese internet user's experience changed?

I'm not a computer or ICT guy, but I know that the CCP has top experts and more resources at its disposal than you could possibly understand. And then, you called them foolish. In my life experience, when unproven people call an established highly competent person/entity foolish, that person is the one who is way over his head. Imagine being at an Einstein lecture and one guy stands up and calls Einstein stupid. You're that guy to me.
You vastly under-estimate the bureaucratic inertia and the entrenched interests. Say I am a US citizen living outside China for the past N decades, right? Do you know what led to Shanghai breakdown of Covid prevention? Bureaucracies and entrenched local interests!!! If your theory sticks, Shanghai would have done at least as well as Shenzhen scare. But it is not.

So I was not intended to engage in any pissing contest. But if you want to argue on gov sake, at least you need some professional know-how or governance credentials. That GFW has become a trillion dollar bureaucratic turf fighting, not something really "为人民服务"
 

manqiangrexue

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You vastly under-estimate the bureaucratic inertia and the entrenched interests. Say I am a US citizen living outside China for the past N decades, right? Do you know what led to Shanghai breakdown of Covid prevention. Bureaucracies and entrenched local interests!!! If your theory sticks, Shanghai would have done at least as well as Shenzhen scare. But it is not.
My theory has nothing to do with COVID. Others say that it was learning from Western policies that led to the disaster in Shanghai. Your entire paragraph here reads like a crumbling green bean snack.
So I was not intended to engage in any pissing contest.
Neither would I but I simply answer the points.
But if you want to argue on gov sake, at least you need some professional know-how or governance credentials.
No, you have failed to answer my points which are founded on logical reasoning and common sense. They are good enough to bring to any debate. Only one who fears them tries to disqualify others based on his own claimed credentials rather than answering the points. I will not allow you to run rampant trash-talking the most successful government in the world unopposed simply because no one with governing credentials or ICT specialty is here. You don't set the rules for qualification on this forum.
That GFW has become a trillion dollar bureaucratic turf fighting, not something really "为人民服务"
That's your opinion, which you have failed to support, against the analysis of the CCP and other members here.

By the way, you didn't answer this question:
"In layman terms, how do you want the average Chinese internet user's experience changed?"
 
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4Runner

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My theory has nothing to do with COVID. Others say that it was learning from Western policies that led to the disaster in Shanghai. Your entire paragraph here reads like a crumbling green bean snack.

Neither would I but I simply answer the points.

No, you have failed to answer my points which are founded on logical reasoning and common sense. They are good enough to bring to any debate. Only one who fears them tries to disqualify others based on his own claimed credentials rather than answering the points. I will not allow you to run rampant trash-talking the most successful government in the world unopposed simply because no one with governing credentials or ICT specialty is here.

That's your opinion against the analysis of the CCP and other members here.

By the way, you didn't answer this question:
"In layman terms, how do you want the average Chinese internet user's experience changed?"
I seriously doubt you or others here you referenced have any qualification to question me on that regard :cool: You have no idea dude. I cannot say more on this subject. But I am having a hunch that you are either 1450type or something else. I seriously doubt you are among those red-blooded Chinese.
 

manqiangrexue

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I seriously doubt you or others here you referenced have any qualification to question me on that regard :cool:
I don't question qualifications because I'm a competent debater; rather, anyone speaking with logic has the proper qualifications to question others. I go for your points and rebut them with logic like you're supposed to do in a debate. Only people who cannot win with logic start hiding behind personal questions trying to disqualify others from even talking and self-purported "qualifications" to make it look like he must speak unopposed :confused:. Don't try to shut others up; answer questions and debate with logic. Where's the confidence? :cool:
You have no idea dude.
Yeah, I have no idea what you're trying to say. I just asked you twice:
"In layman terms, how do you want the average Chinese internet user's experience changed?"
And I got no answer. How am I supposed to have an idea what you want to convey when you cannot answer such a basic question?
I cannot say more on this subject.
OK, it does seem we're at your limit. The first paragraph of your last post was when you first sounded like a verbal drunk falling down the stairs.
But I am having a hunch that you are either 1450type or something else. I seriously doubt you are among those red-blooded Chinese.
Wow, I cannot directly tell if you are right or wrong when you talk about ICT specifications as I'm not in the field but from the way you speak, you sounded like a person who's wrong all the time while calling other people stupid. And now, you've actually proven it to me by saying that I'm not a red-blooded Chinese person. 1450? Me? I'm pro-CCP saying that they've earned the benefit of the doubt every time and you're calling them foolish... and I'm a 1450?? Not you?? LOLOL It's like Danny Devito calling Shaq a midget online...

Wrong while calling others stupid, can't win a debate with logic so first try to disqualify based on internet self-claimed credentials, then resort to personal insults and sweeping assumptions... This conversation is going really badly for you; I agree with your decision to look for an exit but I won't hold it over you because I'm very curious to hear your answer... if you can muster one up.
 
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4Runner

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Then answer the question. For someone who says everyone should have the same opportunity.

Why won’t you let anyone ask you a question while you ask everyone else questions?
Because he mentioned things related "CCP" "members" etc. I don't think he has any clue when he did that here in a foreign forum. Not all CCP members really understand CCP nowadays, let alone foreigners :cool:
 
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