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FriedButter said:

That assumes the Western officials are rational and if anything since the Obama era they have been growing more paranoid and irrational. One only needs to take a look at the quality of the Obama and Biden Admin. The old guard won’t be around for much longer.

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This I do wonder, once the boomers are out of administration positions would a shift in foreign and domestic policy happen due to the difference in attitude and world view?

Boomers was born and raised through the Cold War and McCarthyism period, so the amount of psyche conditioning from fear propaganda and indoctrination they had might affect their decision making today. Also lead poisoning. So how different will things be, when Gen X starts running the scene?

LawLeadsToPeace said:

No it’s not. The Wall is extremely useful to this day. Chinese people are too enamored with the West even to this day. The easiest example of this is Shanghai right now. From wanting to follow America’s F**k the Elderly and Everyone Else strategy to outright rejecting the proven and provided medicines (particularly the TCM ones that have been recommended by the WHO to counter the early stages of a Covid infection) in favor of Pfizer’s theoretical and over-expensive medicine, it’s clear as day that even the supposedly educated people are getting brainwashed easily.

Finally, she is born in the US, NOT CHINA. She wasn’t fed the Koolaid 24/7 like kids in China are fed about the West, particularly the US. Plus she isn’t as passive as most Asians and Asians that live in foreign nations are. Aside from that, Asians in general are fed this Kooliaid 24/7, so no, the Wall is, if anything, necessary to national security.

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My belief is that even educated people get suckered and brainwashed is the same reason marketers/scammers use a Rich(or fake rich) person as the spokesperson... this applies to country/nations etc... People tend to think Rich people/countries/companies are doing something right. This is the main advantage western propaganda have. People in foriegn land still think the USA is all the nice portion of LA/SF/NYC that they see in movies.

Phead128 said:

Who gives a shit about Eileen Gu's witty replies. The Great Wall blocks CIA interference like we see in Hong Kong riots and Western worship brain rot, that alone makes up for PRC propaganda's lack of witty responses. Imagine giving up national security to own the libs on Twitter.

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I do. And GFW is a double edged sword. Internet security is a comprehensive ICT competence, not just ACLs. I can say that because I know IPS/IDS and regex pattern matching inside out. Seriously, honestly, telling you, the GFW does not worth it, particularly now.

daifo said:

My belief is that even educated people get suckered and brainwashed is the same reason marketers/scammers use a Rich(or fake rich) person as the spokesperson... this applies to country/nations etc... People tend to think Rich people/countries/companies are doing something right. This is the main advantage western propaganda have. People in foriegn land still think the USA is all the nice portion of LA/SF/NYC that they see in movies.

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I share the same belief as well, after seeing how many PHD holders in twitter falling for the same propaganda and misinformation. It seems like just because your got a college degree on a particular subject, doesn't mean your critical thinking and investigative ability is good as well or that your even intelligent at all. It just means like a worker in a vocational field, you're trained for the job.

Phead128 said:

Who gives a shit about Eileen Gu's witty replies. The Great Wall blocks CIA interference like we see in Hong Kong riots and Western worship brain rot, that alone makes up for PRC propaganda's lack of witty responses. Imagine giving up national security to own the libs on Twitter.

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Within in China, sure. But China’s SOEs and private companies have projects and investments all over the world. Not to mention countless Chinese citizens living and doing business overseas.

Every time, there is a China=bad article and China doesn’t effectively counter it, it causes negative sentiments in other countries that ultimately impact China’s overseas interests and investments, not to mention the safety of its citizens abroad.

China’s great firewall is great for their domestic needs, but unless China completely closes itself off from the outside, China needs to do better PR beyond its own borders

Overbom said:

No thanks. Western media/information sphere is mental poison

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Where is the confidence? Would you believe it if I tell you that China's ICT competence is at least on par with US now? There are 120 million Chinese traveling overseas each year before COVID. They all came back, normally I guess? I still remember the saga of Golden Adventure. If you lived through that historical period, you should have enough confidence that the Chinese love their motherland and cherish what they have been enjoying in the las 20 years, at least.

daifo said:

My belief is that even educated people get suckered and brainwashed is the same reason marketers/scammers use a Rich(or fake rich) person as the spokesperson... this applies to country/nations etc... People tend to think Rich people/countries/companies are doing something right. This is the main advantage western propaganda have. People in foriegn land still think the USA is all the nice portion of LA/SF/NYC that they see in movies.

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Absolutely, the USA is 100% marketing bullshit, no substance. The entire power of the West now with the rise of China is thier control of the economic system that they previously built, and their system and their currencies are valued based on percieved trust. Because of successful marketing of that trust, their currency has the value to attract foreign talent to do scientific tasks for them that the domestic crowd are incapable of and not interested in. If that marketing falls through and people no longer trust their currency, it's game over. They have a lower population of lazy people against a China with a greater population than the US and EU combined and with a fanatical STEM focus. Nowadays, basically every Chinese achievment is based on scientific breakthrough while every American one is based on diplomatic/financial threat/coercion of a foreign nation. Substance vs marketing.

Americans are so fat on marketing that the other day, I saw a bike put up in my local area for $150. 3 days and nobody bought it. I did. I bought it, shifted the stem down to slam the handlebars, pushed the seatpost up, and it looked more aggressive. Took me 15 minutes. I wrote an ad based on all the most positive reviews on the internet and in 2 days, I sold that bike for $375 posting in the same area, same platform. Americans don't see substance; they only see marketing.

4Runner said:

I do. And GFW is a double edged sword. Internet security is a comprehensive ICT competence, not just ACLs. I can say that because I know IPS/IDS and regex pattern matching inside out. Seriously, honestly, telling you, the GFW does not worth it, particularly now.

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That's seriously, honestly your opinion, not a fact. The CCP has far more tools, people, and experience than you to run that risk analysis.

4Runner said:

Where is the confidence? Would you believe it if I tell you that China's ICT competence is at least on par with US now? There are 120 million Chinese traveling overseas each year before COVID. They all came back, normally I guess? I still remember the saga of Golden Adventure. If you lived through that historical period, you should have enough confidence that the Chinese love their motherland and cherish what they have been enjoying in the las 20 years, at least.

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The problem is that your definition of confidence in this regard is to pull back management and allow anything to happen without regulation or protection. As we all know, that doesn't work in human societies. No country now allows freedom of speech; every Western nation that called themselves free has now banned Russian/Chinese news. Where's the "confidence?" Every country regulates their economy; where's the confidence? When fighters square up, they do so fists up, chin tucked, body 45 degrees; why don't they walk up hands open chest out? Where's the confidence? Nobody uses confidence like you do. Don't confuse confidence with laziness and the inability to efficiently regulate.

4Runner said:

If you lived through that historical period, you should have enough confidence that the Chinese love their motherland and cherish what they have been enjoying in the las 20 years, at least.

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And there will be those who love their motherland but want to align it as a pro-US client state. Why should China give foreign westerners even more power to influence China Domestic politics?

Your only answer to that is to put blind faith in people to do what’s right.

That sure went well when the CIA was rampant with bribing officials until their circlejerk got obliterated like a decade ago.

manqiangrexue said:

Absolutely, the USA is 100% marketing bullshit, no substance. The entire power of the West now with the rise of China is thier control of the economic system that they previously built, and their system and their currencies are valued based on percieved trust. Because of successful marketing of that trust, their currency has the value to attract foreign talent to do scientific tasks for them that the domestic crowd are incapable of and not interested in. If that marketing falls through and people no longer trust their currency, it's game over. They have a lower population of lazy people against a China with a greater population than the US and EU combined and with a fanatical STEM focus. Nowadays, basically every Chinese achievment is based on scientific breakthrough while every American one is based on diplomatic/financial threat/coercion of a foreign nation. Substance vs marketing.

Americans are so fat on marketing that the other day, I saw a bike put up in my local area for $150. 3 days and nobody bought it. I did. I bought it, shifted the stem down to slam the handlebars, pushed the seatpost up, and it looked more aggressive. Took me 15 minutes. I wrote an ad based on all the most positive reviews on the internet and in 2 days, I sold that bike for $375 posting in the same area, same platform. Americans don't see substance; they only see marketing.

That's seriously, honestly your opinion, not a fact. The CCP has far more tools, people, and experience than you to run that risk analysis.

The counter-argument to that is that the definition of confidence in this regard is to pull back management and allow anything to happen without regulation or protection. As we all know, that doesn't work in human societies. No country now allows freedom of speech; every Western nation that called themselves free has now banned Russian/Chinese news. Where's the "confidence?" Every country regulates their economy; where's the confidence? When fighters square up, they do so fists up, chin tucked, body 45 degrees; why don't they walk up hands open chest out? Where's the confidence? Nobody uses confidence like you do. Don't confuse confidence with laziness and the inability to efficiently regulate.

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That part says you don't understand ICT in general and Internet security in particular. Let's say, for the sake of comparison, US does not have anything like GFW. But I guarantee you that the Internet in US is as secure as in China with GFW. To ordinary people, the Internet is free of cross-country cross-domain. In reality, it it not. This is THE reason I put the ICT competence and the Internet security in this argument. I am not saying a wide-open Internet that allows anyone does anything, unchecked or unregulated or unmonitored. That is not what the Internet inside US actually is. You probably are just not aware of it.

4Runner said:

This girl is one of the reasons I want the Chinese gov to tear down the Great Firewall. She is doing a better job than half of the CCTV staff, by using her hard power and smart power and soft power, not FUD or pontification. I bet millions of Chinese teenage girls would be like her in their own right if "the wall" is down. That wall is one of the most foolish acts that CCP has ever done in my book. If it served some purposes before, it is largely negative now.

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The Great Firewall, like the One-Child Policy, the Zero Covid approach, as well as the anti-poverty program, and now the Food Security program, are some of the most successful policies of China. It enabled China to nurture and develop her own internet eco system and industry, as well as full control of the country's own Big Demographic/Social Data. China is the only meaningful country which is able to do that and not dominated by the US. EU tried. So did India. But they all failed miserably. Just look at what is happening to Russia now.

But you are right. All policy will sooner or later serve their usefulness. China will relax the Great Firewall in her typical cautious, step-by-step, deliberate way. But not quite there yet. There are still work to do. Last years search algorithm reform, data security law etc are part of that process.