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Overbom

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I don’t follow the stuff in Pakistan or anything non-major globally but was there any reason why CPEC was delayed for so long?
The reason is IK wanted to renegotiate signed CPEC projects with China. Xi told him to pound sound and then IK held CPEC projects hostage in order to force China to renegotiate. China simply waited and then IK realised that he couldnt get a renegotiation from China.

He was too inexperienced. He didn't understand why China couldn't renegotiate these contracts. Imagine if Xi backed down and then everyone from BRI countries were emboldened to follow IK's tactics and do the same..
 

4Runner

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Too bad the Chinese make sure they have plenty to eat so their children won't experience being starved like their grandparents did.

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This girl is one of the reasons I want the Chinese gov to tear down the Great Firewall. She is doing a better job than half of the CCTV staff, by using her hard power and smart power and soft power, not FUD or pontification. I bet millions of Chinese teenage girls would be like her in their own right if "the wall" is down. That wall is one of the most foolish acts that CCP has ever done in my book. If it served some purposes before, it is largely negative now.
 

FriedButter

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This girl is one of the reasons I want the Chinese gov to tear down the Great Firewall. She is doing a better job than half of the CCTV staff, by using her hard power and smart power and soft power, not FUD or pontification. I bet millions of Chinese teenage girls would be like her in their own right if "the wall" is down. That wall is one of the most foolish acts that CCP has ever done in my book. If it served some purposes before, it is largely negative now.

I don’t really see why China should give the CIA, MI5, NSA an easy ticket to manipulate people.
 

manqiangrexue

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This girl is one of the reasons I want the Chinese gov to tear down the Great Firewall. She is doing a better job than half of the CCTV staff, by using her hard power and smart power and soft power, not FUD or pontification. I bet millions of Chinese teenage girls would be like her in their own right if "the wall" is down. That wall is one of the most foolish acts that CCP has ever done in my book. If it served some purposes before, it is largely negative now.
I don't think so. That girl is only mentioned anywhere because she's double Olympic champion and she grew up in the US. There are Chinese athletes with 3 or more Olympic gold medals without a tenth of her voice. The risks of letting down the firewall is that hundreds of millions of Chinese people who have no real exposure to the West may hold the general misconception that Westerners are honest and benign, thus making them vulnerable to the horrible lies and propaganda. The benefit is that by reading what many Westerners post, especially racially hateful things towards China, these people may be educated to the true colors and evils of the West. These are the benefits and risks that must be weighed and with China's population generally patriotic, putting China on course to surpass the US, the CCP determined that that was not a risk worth taking now. Seeing their successes, I would never call their decisions foolish even if I disagreed and I urge you to watch your mouth as well unless you've achieved something greater. You can say that your own analysis disagrees, but you should note the disparity in proven capability.

I, for one, believe that a directed course on Western propaganda and hatred towards China would serve as an excellent source of patriotic education. For certain, when I have kids, I will do this for them to ensure that they grow up with a clear view of what they face. I've seen and felt first hand how effective this is. Personally, as a Chinese kid growing up in the US, I was patriotic to America before I changed sometime in college. For many years, I was always unable to pinpoint what caused the change and worried that I could not direct my children there as well. But a while here, I realized that it's seeing how racist and hateful Americans are online that has changed me; the postings on this forum itself played a great part. I've also met (and dated) Chinese women who had previously remarked on how nice Americans were and how there should be no national/ethnic boundaries to friendship or love. They were absolutely shocked and have completely changed their tune after I showed them videos and commentary by American "pickup artists" saying how easy Chinese women are and what tactics they use to drop their guard. After this, even after our separation, they date only Chinese because they would never want to contribute to this or the satisfaction of those people and they can now see the immense shame of falling victim to them.
 
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LawLeadsToPeace

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This girl is one of the reasons I want the Chinese gov to tear down the Great Firewall. She is doing a better job than half of the CCTV staff, by using her hard power and smart power and soft power, not FUD or pontification. I bet millions of Chinese teenage girls would be like her in their own right if "the wall" is down. That wall is one of the most foolish acts that CCP has ever done in my book. If it served some purposes before, it is largely negative now.
No it’s not. The Wall is extremely useful to this day. Chinese people are too enamored with the West even to this day. The easiest example of this is Shanghai right now. From wanting to follow America’s F**k the Elderly and Everyone Else strategy to outright rejecting the proven and provided medicines (particularly the TCM ones that have been recommended by the WHO to counter the early stages of a Covid infection) in favor of Pfizer’s theoretical and over-expensive medicine, it’s clear as day that even the supposedly educated people are getting brainwashed easily.

Finally, she is born in the US, NOT CHINA. She wasn’t fed the Koolaid 24/7 like kids in China are fed about the West, particularly the US. Plus she isn’t as passive as most Asians and Asians that live in foreign nations are. Aside from that, Asians in general are fed this Kooliaid 24/7, so no, the Wall is, if anything, necessary to national security.
 
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Overbom

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This girl is one of the reasons I want the Chinese gov to tear down the Great Firewall. She is doing a better job than half of the CCTV staff, by using her hard power and smart power and soft power, not FUD or pontification. I bet millions of Chinese teenage girls would be like her in their own right if "the wall" is down. That wall is one of the most foolish acts that CCP has ever done in my book. If it served some purposes before, it is largely negative now.
No thanks. Western media/information sphere is mental poison
 

FriedButter

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Another thing to remember. The West doesn’t need to convince enough people to overthrow the CCP. They only need to convince enough people to cause turmoil and to shake confidence in the government.

With 1.4 billion people. How hard is it gonna be to find 10,000 to launch an operation on the same day that was organized on Facebook.

Let them undermine it long enough and time will do the rest. Just take a look from Obama -> Trump -> Biden.
 

Phead128

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This girl is one of the reasons I want the Chinese gov to tear down the Great Firewall. She is doing a better job than half of the CCTV staff, by using her hard power and smart power and soft power, not FUD or pontification. I bet millions of Chinese teenage girls would be like her in their own right if "the wall" is down. That wall is one of the most foolish acts that CCP has ever done in my book. If it served some purposes before, it is largely negative now.
Who gives a shit about Eileen Gu's witty replies. The Great Wall blocks CIA interference like we see in Hong Kong riots and Western worship brain rot, that alone makes up for PRC propaganda's lack of witty responses. Imagine giving up national security to own the libs on Twitter.
 
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tokenanalyst

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I, for one, believe that a directed course on Western propaganda and hatred towards China would serve as an excellent source of patriotic education.
Exactly. That propaganda of Western intelligence agencies and mainstream media are going to backfire. It could make Chinese people more nationalistic. Even in the West people are not buying Mainstream media garbage, you can blame it for the rise of Trump and the far right in the West.

Another thing to remember. The West doesn’t need to convince enough people to overthrow the CCP. They only need to convince enough people to cause turmoil and to shake confidence in the government.
I doubt that will work. But do the West really don't want the CCP? Do they really want to break the dam?
Because is a big delusion on part of the West to think the democracy panacea will work everywhere, at most they will get is an hyper-nationalistic country with a lot smart people and enough nukes to vaporize dozen of millions in a single day.
 

FriedButter

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I doubt that will work. But do the West really don't want the CCP? Do they really want to break the dam?
Because is a big delusion on part of the West to think the democracy panacea will work everywhere, at most they will get is an hyper-nationalistic country with a lot smart people and enough nukes to vaporize dozen of millions in a single day.

That assumes the Western officials are rational and if anything since the Obama era they have been growing more paranoid and irrational. One only needs to take a look at the quality of the Obama and Biden Admin. The old guard won’t be around for much longer.
 
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