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Overbom

Brigadier
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Are these state oil companies that dependent on the west and are they scared of sanctions?

Or are they still trying to win the hearts of Europe? Maybe they are getting bad advice as well cause I can tell you that Europe actions towards china will unlikely get better.

Seems like I did is taking advantage of the situation more so than china. Which is quite sad that china candy do better.
The risk of sanctions is high so the Russians need to offer more discounts.

Its all part of the risk-benefit calculus
 

Michaelsinodef

Senior Member
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Are these state oil companies that dependent on the west and are they scared of sanctions?

Or are they still trying to win the hearts of Europe? Maybe they are getting bad advice as well cause I can tell you that Europe actions towards china will unlikely get better.

Seems like I did is taking advantage of the situation more so than china. Which is quite sad that china candy do better.
Likely we are gonna see a lot of 'new' companies in China that are gonna exclusive trade with Russia (or maybe also Iran and North Korea lol).
 

Abominable

Major
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The fact that they never define what "material support" means suggest it's just grandstanding.

China is officially neutral, so obviously never going to send MBTs, Artillery, Fighter jets to Russia. Any military equipment/supplies will have dual-use purposes or plausible deniability as cover. Russia also is a military superpower self-sufficient in most materials/equipment.

So US threatening China over 'material support' is good for domestic consumption, but we Chinese shouldn't take it seriously. China will continue avoiding sanctions to help Russia just like it helped Iran and North Korea, and there ain't shit US can do it about it but cry and make empty gestures/threats.
It's a difficult choice to make. On the one hand I think to just let the Russians fight the way they want to, they need to learn from their mistakes. They could have bought squadrons of WL-2 from China and this war would have been over. They had too much pride or didn't trust Chinese platforms and it's costing them.

Xi has done excellent to avoid getting pulled into this new cold war. If it was between the west and Russia with China economically supporting Russia. On the other hand the war dragging on for months would have a high humanitarian cost. What if Russia gets desperate and decides to use nukes?

American threats or sanctions don't mean anything. Western civilisation would collapse without Chinese exports and Russian energy and they would go back to living in caves, hunting, rubbing sticks for fire etc.
 

Abominable

Major
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As long as the US doesn't militarily intervene, those toothless sanctions can't even consider a threat.
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Is this a confirmation that America won't defend Taiwan militarily?

I'd take that deal. Conquer Taiwan, demilitarise them, and leave a PLA garrison in place. Have a one country two systems in place, and soon the Americans will stop their sanctions.
 

manqiangrexue

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As long as the US doesn't militarily intervene, those toothless sanctions can't even consider a threat.
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LOL She thinks she was talking tough shit but she just confirmed that America won't fight. "If your son beats up my son at school, you will get SUCH a nasty letter from me," pretty much confirms there's not gonna be a door knock with brass knuckles waiting.
 

Phead128

Captain
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Is this a confirmation that America won't defend Taiwan militarily?

I'd take that deal. Conquer Taiwan, demilitarise them, and leave a PLA garrison in place. Have a one country two systems in place, and soon the Americans will stop their sanctions.
Of course US won't defend Taiwan. US refuses to even sell F-35s to Taiwan, why would US shed any blood for a nation it doesn't trust with it's fancy tech?

I think US will sanction the living shit out Taiwan though (e.g., the Xinjiang cotton ban treatment), even if means Apple needs to use Samsung/Intel technology instead of TSMC (sob, 5nm, sob). I'm pretty sure US sanctions on Taiwan will last forever, as they will try to economically cripple Taiwan so it foments dissent as they tried with Xinjiang.

I suggest China waits until WW3, when shit hits the fan, Koreans duking it out, Iranians vs. Israelis, Russians vs. Europeans, then strike Taiwan. Otherwise, you get ashes/rubble and economically crippled rump state if you attack prematurely. No rush. We can rebuild the world at the same time.
 

Tyler

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Of course US won't defend Taiwan. US refuses to even sell F-35s to Taiwan, why would US shed any blood for a nation it doesn't trust with it's fancy tech?

I think US will sanction the living shit out Taiwan though (e.g., the Xinjiang cotton ban treatment), even if means Apple needs to use Samsung/Intel technology instead of TSMC (sob, 5nm, sob). I'm pretty sure US sanctions on Taiwan will last forever, as they will try to economically cripple Taiwan so it foments dissent as they tried with Xinjiang.

I suggest China waits until WW3, when shit hits the fan, Koreans duking it out, Iranians vs. Israelis, Russians vs. Europeans, then strike Taiwan. Otherwise, you get ashes/rubble and economically crippled rump state if you attack prematurely. No rush. We can rebuild the world at the same time.
China should be sanctioning the US right now for supporting Taiwan separatists. The motion should be raised in the UN security council, so that the whole world knows Taiwan is not recognized as a country.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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Of course US won't defend Taiwan. US refuses to even sell F-35s to Taiwan, why would US shed any blood for a nation it doesn't trust with it's fancy tech?

I think US will sanction the living shit out Taiwan though (e.g., the Xinjiang cotton ban treatment), even if means Apple needs to use Samsung/Intel technology instead of TSMC (sob, 5nm, sob). I'm pretty sure US sanctions on Taiwan will last forever, as they will try to economically cripple Taiwan so it foments dissent as they tried with Xinjiang.

I suggest China waits until WW3, when shit hits the fan, Koreans duking it out, Iranians vs. Israelis, Russians vs. Europeans, then strike Taiwan. Otherwise, you get ashes/rubble and economically crippled rump state if you attack prematurely. No rush. We can rebuild the world at the same time.
I think in WW3, China needs to be prepared for a 2 front war or at least a 1 front + hold. Basically, North Korea doesn't have to win, but they can't lose. A unified Korea under South Korea would be disastrous for China. So activation of the Sino-Korean MDT will be limited to supporting North Korea defensive efforts and safeguarding North Korean sovereignty. This also prevents a North Korean strategic escalation if they feel their existence is threatened.

But, if in the course of the war South Korea or it's allies on South Korean soil starts launching attacks on China and hitting Chinese assets, all bets are off. I'd say that would be the time to push foreign forces and puppets into the ocean.

In either case, Taiwan will likely declare independence at this time, and open up a new front. So there will broadly be an entire ECS front on land, air and water.
 
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