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"DEPUTY SECRETARY OF STATE WENDY SHERMAN SAYS RANGE OF SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA SHOULD GIVE CHINA A ‘GOOD UNDERSTANDING’ OF CONSEQUENCES SHOULD IT PROVIDE MATERIAL SUPPORT TO RUSSIA"
The fact that they never define what "material support" means suggest it's just grandstanding.

China is officially neutral, so obviously never going to send MBTs, Artillery, Fighter jets to Russia. Any military equipment/supplies will have dual-use purposes or plausible deniability as cover. Russia also is a military superpower self-sufficient in most materials/equipment.

So US threatening China over 'material support' is good for domestic consumption, but we Chinese shouldn't take it seriously. China will continue avoiding sanctions to help Russia just like it helped Iran and North Korea, and there ain't shit US can do it about it but cry and make empty gestures/threats.
 

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The fact that they never define what "material support" means suggest it's just grandstanding.

China is officially neutral, so obviously never going to send MBTs, Artillery, Fighter jets to Russia. Any military equipment/supplies will have dual-use purposes or plausible deniability as cover. Russia also is a military superpower self-sufficient in most materials/equipment.

So US threatening China over 'material support' is good for domestic consumption, but we Chinese shouldn't take it seriously. China will continue avoiding sanctions to help Russia just like it helped Iran and North Korea, and there ain't shit US can do it about it but cry and make empty gestures/threats.
Exactly that is the point. "欲加之罪何患无词". They will definitely find "enough evidence" when they need it. And I can bet my life that the entire Chinese leadership knows it. Ambiguity is the only weapon for west to attack China outside nukes. If they could do things to China that don't backfire, they would have already done that.
 

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Exclusive: China state refiners shun new Russian oil trades​

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  • Sinopec, CNOOC, PetroChina, Sinochem refrain from new purchases
  • Worries about sanctions keep state firms at bay
  • Some independent refiners continue ESPO crude imports
SINGAPORE, April 6 (Reuters) - China's state refiners are honouring existing Russian oil contracts but avoiding new ones despite steep discounts, heeding Beijing's call for caution as western sanctions mount against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, six people told Reuters.

State-run Sinopec
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and Sinochem have stayed on the sidelines in trading fresh Russian cargoes for May loadings, said the people, who all have knowledge of the matter but spoke on condition of anonymity given the sensitivity of the subject.

Chinese state-owned firms do not wish to be seen as openly supporting Moscow by buying extra volumes of oil, said two of the people, after Washington banned Russian oil last month and the European Union slapped sanctions on top Russian exporter Rosneft
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"SOEs are cautious as their actions could be seen as representing the Chinese government and none of them wants to be singled out as a buyer of Russian oil," said one of the people.

Sinopec and Petrochina declined comment. CNOOC and Sinochem did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
China and Russia have developed increasingly close ties in recent years, and as recently as February announced a "no limits" partnership, and China has refused to condemn Russia's action in Ukraine or call it an invasion.

China has repeatedly criticised western sanctions against Russia, although a senior diplomat said on Saturday that Beijing is not deliberately circumventing sanctions on Russia.

China, the world's largest oil importer, is the top buyer of Russian crude at 1.6 million barrels per day, half of which is supplied via pipelines under government-to-government contracts.

Sources expect China's state firms to honour its long-term and existing contracts for Russian oil but steer clear of new spot deals.

A drop in China's imports of Russian oil could prompt its giant state refiners to turn to alternative sources, adding to global supply concerns that had driven benchmark Brent oil prices to 14-year highs near $140 per barrel in early March after Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24.

Brent futures have since eased, to below $110, after the United States and allies announced plans to release stocks from strategic reserves.

Before the Ukraine crisis, Russia supplied 15% of China's oil imports - half of that via the East Siberian and Atasu-Alashankou pipelines and the rest by tankers from its Black Sea, Baltic Sea and Far East ports.
Unipec, the trading arm of Sinopec and a leading Russian oil buyer, has warned its global teams at regular internal meetings in recent weeks against the risks of dealing with Russian oil.

"The message and tone are clear - risk control and compliance comes before profits," said one of the sources who was briefed on the meetings.

"Although Russian oil is hugely discounted, there are many issues like securing shipping insurance and payment snags."
Another of the sources, with a refinery that regularly processes Russian crude, said his plant was told by Unipec to find replacement to maintain normal operations.


"Beyond shipments that have arrived in March and due to arrive in April, there will be no more Russian oil going forward," said this source.

Unipec loaded 500,000 tonnes of Urals from Russia's Baltic ports in March, the highest volume in months, supplied by Surgutneftegaz on spot and under a Rosneft export tender that Unipec won for loadings between September 2021 and March 2022, according to traders and shipping data.


Its latest Urals deals will be two April-loading shipments totalling 200,000 tonnes from Russian producer Surgutneftegaz
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, said two traders with knowledge of the deals.

In contrast, India has so far booked at least 14 million barrels, or about 2 million tonnes, of Russian oil since Feb. 24, versus nearly 16 million barrels in all of 2021, according to Reuters calculations.
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Other state buyers - PetroChina, CNOOC and Sinochem - have shunned Russia's ESPO blend for May loading, sources said.

Sinopec is facing payment problems even for deals agreed earlier as risk-averse state banks look to scale down financing Russian oil-related deals, the second source said.

Sanction worries have driven some independent refiners known as teapots, once a dynamic group of customers consuming about a third of China's Russian oil imports, to fly under the radar.
"ESPO trading was really slow and secretive. Some deals are being done, but details are kept under wraps. No one wants to be seen buying Russian oil in public," a regular ESPO dealer said.

To keep oil flowing, these nimble refiners are deploying alternative payment mechanisms such as cash transfer, paying after cargo is delivered and using Chinese currency.

Russian suppliers - Rosneft, Surgutneftegaz and Gazprom Neft, and independent producers represented by Swiss trader Paramount Energy - are expected to ship a record 3.3 million tonnes of ESPO from Kozmino port in May
 

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Exclusive: China state refiners shun new Russian oil trades​

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  • Sinopec, CNOOC, PetroChina, Sinochem refrain from new purchases
  • Worries about sanctions keep state firms at bay
  • Some independent refiners continue ESPO crude imports
SINGAPORE, April 6 (Reuters) - China's state refiners are honouring existing Russian oil contracts but avoiding new ones despite steep discounts, heeding Beijing's call for caution as western sanctions mount against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, six people told Reuters.

State-run Sinopec
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, Asia's largest refiner, CNOOC, PetroChina
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and Sinochem have stayed on the sidelines in trading fresh Russian cargoes for May loadings, said the people, who all have knowledge of the matter but spoke on condition of anonymity given the sensitivity of the subject.

Chinese state-owned firms do not wish to be seen as openly supporting Moscow by buying extra volumes of oil, said two of the people, after Washington banned Russian oil last month and the European Union slapped sanctions on top Russian exporter Rosneft
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and Gazprom Neft
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.

"SOEs are cautious as their actions could be seen as representing the Chinese government and none of them wants to be singled out as a buyer of Russian oil," said one of the people.

Sinopec and Petrochina declined comment. CNOOC and Sinochem did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
China and Russia have developed increasingly close ties in recent years, and as recently as February announced a "no limits" partnership, and China has refused to condemn Russia's action in Ukraine or call it an invasion.

China has repeatedly criticised western sanctions against Russia, although a senior diplomat said on Saturday that Beijing is not deliberately circumventing sanctions on Russia.

China, the world's largest oil importer, is the top buyer of Russian crude at 1.6 million barrels per day, half of which is supplied via pipelines under government-to-government contracts.

Sources expect China's state firms to honour its long-term and existing contracts for Russian oil but steer clear of new spot deals.

A drop in China's imports of Russian oil could prompt its giant state refiners to turn to alternative sources, adding to global supply concerns that had driven benchmark Brent oil prices to 14-year highs near $140 per barrel in early March after Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24.

Brent futures have since eased, to below $110, after the United States and allies announced plans to release stocks from strategic reserves.

Before the Ukraine crisis, Russia supplied 15% of China's oil imports - half of that via the East Siberian and Atasu-Alashankou pipelines and the rest by tankers from its Black Sea, Baltic Sea and Far East ports.
Unipec, the trading arm of Sinopec and a leading Russian oil buyer, has warned its global teams at regular internal meetings in recent weeks against the risks of dealing with Russian oil.

"The message and tone are clear - risk control and compliance comes before profits," said one of the sources who was briefed on the meetings.

"Although Russian oil is hugely discounted, there are many issues like securing shipping insurance and payment snags."
Another of the sources, with a refinery that regularly processes Russian crude, said his plant was told by Unipec to find replacement to maintain normal operations.


"Beyond shipments that have arrived in March and due to arrive in April, there will be no more Russian oil going forward," said this source.

Unipec loaded 500,000 tonnes of Urals from Russia's Baltic ports in March, the highest volume in months, supplied by Surgutneftegaz on spot and under a Rosneft export tender that Unipec won for loadings between September 2021 and March 2022, according to traders and shipping data.


Its latest Urals deals will be two April-loading shipments totalling 200,000 tonnes from Russian producer Surgutneftegaz
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, said two traders with knowledge of the deals.

In contrast, India has so far booked at least 14 million barrels, or about 2 million tonnes, of Russian oil since Feb. 24, versus nearly 16 million barrels in all of 2021, according to Reuters calculations.
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Other state buyers - PetroChina, CNOOC and Sinochem - have shunned Russia's ESPO blend for May loading, sources said.

Sinopec is facing payment problems even for deals agreed earlier as risk-averse state banks look to scale down financing Russian oil-related deals, the second source said.

Sanction worries have driven some independent refiners known as teapots, once a dynamic group of customers consuming about a third of China's Russian oil imports, to fly under the radar.
"ESPO trading was really slow and secretive. Some deals are being done, but details are kept under wraps. No one wants to be seen buying Russian oil in public," a regular ESPO dealer said.

To keep oil flowing, these nimble refiners are deploying alternative payment mechanisms such as cash transfer, paying after cargo is delivered and using Chinese currency.

Russian suppliers - Rosneft, Surgutneftegaz and Gazprom Neft, and independent producers represented by Swiss trader Paramount Energy - are expected to ship a record 3.3 million tonnes of ESPO from Kozmino port in May
Are these state oil companies that dependent on the west and are they scared of sanctions?

Or are they still trying to win the hearts of Europe? Maybe they are getting bad advice as well cause I can tell you that Europe actions towards china will unlikely get better.

Seems like I did is taking advantage of the situation more so than china. Which is quite sad that china candy do better.
 
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