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Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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Public figures in China seem to be domestically coming around to this perspective.

Coincidentally, an interview with Jin Canrong today talked around this subject:

We must avoid a hot war, this is a principle; at the same time, we must do our best to avoid a new cold war that will greatly harm the interests of both sides, but there are objective contradictions between the two sides, so I emphasize playing the clear card.

To play the clear card, we must first change the thinking of keeping a low profile.

Keeping a low profile at the moment is a kind of thinking that avoids reality. It has a logical error in thinking that as long as China doesn't say it, the US doesn't know. In fact, the strategic capabilities of the United States are still very good. It makes no difference whether you say it or not. It knows all about it. As I have said repeatedly, strategic research is particularly taboo to assume that you are smarter than your opponents, that you can deceive others, and you are easy to lose. Thinking of yourself as smart, always thinking about hiding and hiding things, this is not acceptable.

Keeping a low profile and keeping a low profile is regarded by many scholars and decision-makers as a permanent policy. In fact, it is only a product of a very special background. It has played some roles under very special conditions. Now that those conditions are gone, this strategic thinking will naturally change. .


On diplomatic rhetoric:

I am still thinking about this question, so the answer may not be mature. At the strategic level, we need to change the thinking of keeping a low profile and keep a low profile. At the technical level, we should be transparent. For example, military capabilities, industrial science and technology forces should be more transparent, and some diplomatic intentions should be clearer.

Some of the diplomacy we have launched is definitely based on China's national interests, but we need to be more transparent. In the exchanges between China and foreign countries, we have a problem, that is, there are too many clichés. Some of the words we say now are relatively empty, and people don’t believe them very much.

Scholars should also reflect on this point. Scholars today have several problems, one of which is that they always speak big words and clichés, and repeat the official language repeatedly. This is not acceptable. Scholars have to speak in their own words, otherwise there will be no convincing both internally and externally.

In addition, some vernacular or issues that can be explained clearly are deliberately described in a particularly obscure and advanced manner; and only by speaking such obscure words can one enter certain small groups, which is actually a kind of academic corruption. These are all things that need to change.


(Machine translated, full interview here:
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Phead128

Captain
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Moderator - World Affairs
I stand corrected. I should have been more accurate in my earlier claim. PLA didn't engaged in front-line/infantry assault operations against US like during the Korean war. PLA did provide logistic, engineering, anti-air support as your articles noted.

Yes, it's true Chinese troops did not cross into South Vietnam to fight US, but neither did US troops cross into North Vietnam with infantry-land force to fight Chinese troops, because US knew of Mao Zedong's threat of 1 million man intervention into North Vietnam if US crossed the 17th parallel, on top of the existing 40,000 annual peak force of Chinese combat troops in North Vietnam.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Well, I am not directing any accusations at you. I gave your replies thumbs-ups, because I am not entirely against what you're saying.
But I don't buy this whole "American thought they could win this 不战而胜 (winning without fighting) against China, until Xi Jinping ruined their plan" rhetoric. This is simply false. CPC was NEVER their enemy, China was. The US has no problem working closely and accepting a communist country willing to co-operate. It is the fact that China is becoming too big and strong, that is the rub.

If China was a capitalist country as powerful as PRC currently, the US will form other rhetoric to counter China. Survival of the CPC doesn't matter, what matters is that the US can most easily destroy China with the fall of CPC. 乘火打劫、乘乱行事。

Imagine if China hypothetically smoothly transition into a non-communist country so fast that the US can't even effective respond, do you really think the US will just hug it out with China? NO, if that happens, the US rhetoric will just transition from anti-communist-left to anti-"fascist"-right. The US has already readied their own population to take China out regardless of whether it is a communist-left country or a "fascist"-right country. The only "good-China" is a poor obedient vulnerable-to-American-power China. For that type of China, the US won't care whether it's run by CPC or some right-wing ultra-nationalistic party.

There's no need to supposition, we've seen how it played out with Russia.

Why does the West hate Putin so much? Because he single-handedly took the country out from under the West's thumb. Remember when the West used to consider Russia an ally? That was during the Yeltsin era, when Russia was controlled by Oligarchs.

Forget about labels. The US doesn't care whether China called itself communist, socialist, or capitalist. What they cared about was how much control they had.

The expectation was for China to go the way of Japan and South Korea, where a capitalist class subservient to Western interests controls the government. Under such an arrangement, China would be subject to economic harvests through manufactured financial crises. They even had delusions of imposing a Plaza Accord on China.

It was all delusions of course, but they wallowed in it. What really woke them up was when China, shortly after the anti-corruption campaign, purged the CIA network in the country. That was when they realized that they no longer had any control over Chinese politicians.
 

texx1

Junior Member
You're the one who strawman and put words in my mouth.
Of course there are a lot of benefit to having the most powerful military in the world, when did I ever say it's a bad thing and undesirable?
I am only pointing out that having the most powerful military doe NOT make you omnipotent. Just because you have the most powerful military, does NOT mean that you as a country can get away with foolish decision making.

By use words as "Chinese are cucks lol" in your reply to my post. You were covertly trying to portray my position as far more critical of PRC than it was. It's a potentially useful strategy to get a rise out of posters holding contradictory positions against the predominant view of this forum.

When a country makes a wrong decision, they will reap what they sow. That's the simple rule of causality. It's simple reality.

I know you are militaristic and 血气方刚, I have no problem with young people being “血气方刚”. But you have to realize your own emotional desire for sensationalism and and cold-hard calculation of national interest based on reality.

Here is another reality. Given the current advantages US still holds in military, economy, media, technology and alliances, US could afford to make mistakes. It's simply too early to realistically talk about US receiving its deserved comeuppance.
 

9dashline

Captain
Registered Member
I remember the US was going to deal with China when 9/11 happened.
China took the break to prepare and moved quickly to a position that can withstand the onslaught from the US, 20 years later.

I guess $500 million for Nepal in 2022 is now a lot for the US, considering they have a $20 trillion debt.
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$20 trillion was so last year, its $30 trillion now, will be $50 trillion next year

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