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solarz said:

Again, did you forget the US was mired in Afghanistan and Iraq until last year?

US goal wasn't to beat down China, it was global hegemony. It spent plenty of money to undermine China, but it couldn't afford to do nothing but undermine China, as it had other interests in the world.

It was only in the last few years that the US has started turning its full attention to China.

Did you forget Myanmar? The US succeeded in installing a pro-West stooge there, but it turned out she ended up cozying up to China anyway. When the military deposed her, the US media were in a tizzy about how they were about to turn against China. How did that work out?

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That's exactly what I was talking about: wasting money and time in Afghanistan and Iraq. And now when they actually needed those money to do true global competition with China, all they can come up with is these laughable token gesture.

Yet it is enough to impress and intimidate many "Western Educated Chinese" who thinks that they are Chinese patriots. Sure, they are patriotic, but they need to get off of the drugs and calm the heck down.

多读史书，少在那儿神经质地沉迷于受迫害妄想。

Jingle Bells said:

That's exactly what I was talking about: wasting money and time in Afghanistan and Iraq. And now when they actually needed those money to do true global competition with China, all they can come up with is these laughable token gesture.

Yet it is enough to impress and intimidate many "Western Educated Chinese" who thinks that they are Chinese patriots. Sure, they are patriotic, but they need to get off of the drugs and calm the heck down.

多读史书，少在那儿神经质地沉迷于受迫害妄想。

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Not sure who you are accusing here.

We've gone over this before, in this very thread, about why the US waited until now to target China. You can check the details yourself, but until Xi Jinping conducted his successful anti-corruption campaign, the US was hoping for China to become controlled by an elite capitalist class, that would in turn be indentured to the Western capitalist class. That is what the whole "democratization through liberalization of economy" was all about.

Indeed, they might even have succeeded, had not Xi carried out the successful anti-corruption campaign. When Xi called corruption a threat to the very survival of the CPC, he wasn't talking about the Chinese people overthrowing the government.

So, since the US didn't have a crystal ball, they thought they had China well in hand, and decided to focus their attention on the Middle East.

I haven't read anyone here who's actually scared of these US tactics. Most of us are just laughing at their ineptitude. Maybe you should read more carefully before throwing around these accusations?

Here is the official EU statement about the EU-China summit from European Council.


Here is the official PRC statement about the summit from PRC Ministry of foreign affairs in English.


Here is the official PRC statement from PRC MOFA in Mandarin.



Looks like both sides emphasized and omitted certain talking points in their official statements for domestic consumption purposes.

texx1 said:

Here is the official EU statement about the EU-China summit from European Council.

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Here is the official PRC statement about the summit from PRC Ministry of foreign affairs in English.

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Here is the official PRC statement from PRC MOFA in Mandarin.

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Looks like both sides emphasized and omitted certain talking points in their official statements for domestic consumption purposes.

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China promised nothing if you actually read them

vincent said:

China promised nothing if you actually read them

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Did my post mention any Chinese promises? I merely listed info from official sources. Btw, I wouldn't have said there were omissions of talking points if I didn't read them. For instance, both versions of PRC statements chose to omit EU expressed concerns about human rights situation and HK.

texx1 said:

Did my post mention any Chinese promises? I merely listed info from official sources. Btw, I wouldn't have said there were omissions of talking points if I didn't read them. For instance, both versions of PRC statements chose to omit EU expressed concerns about human rights situation and HK.

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Who give a damn what the EU morons said? Like it matters to China

solarz said:

Not sure who you are accusing here.

We've gone over this before, in this very thread, about why the US waited until now to target China. You can check the details yourself, but until Xi Jinping conducted his successful anti-corruption campaign, the US was hoping for China to become controlled by an elite capitalist class, that would in turn be indentured to the Western capitalist class. That is what the whole "democratization through liberalization of economy" was all about.

Indeed, they might even have succeeded, had not Xi carried out the successful anti-corruption campaign. When Xi called corruption a threat to the very survival of the CPC, he wasn't talking about the Chinese people overthrowing the government.

So, since the US didn't have a crystal ball, they thought they had China well in hand, and decided to focus their attention on the Middle East.

I haven't read anyone here who's actually scared of these US tactics. Most of us are just laughing at their ineptitude. Maybe you should read more carefully before throwing around these accusations?

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Well, I am not directing any accusations at you. I gave your replies thumbs-ups, because I am not entirely against what you're saying.
But I don't buy this whole "American thought they could win this 不战而胜 (winning without fighting) against China, until Xi Jinping ruined their plan" rhetoric. This is simply false. CPC was NEVER their enemy, China was. The US has no problem working closely and accepting a communist country willing to co-operate. It is the fact that China is becoming too big and strong, that is the rub.

If China was a capitalist country as powerful as PRC currently, the US will form other rhetoric to counter China. Survival of the CPC doesn't matter, what matters is that the US can most easily destroy China with the fall of CPC. 乘火打劫、乘乱行事。

Imagine if China hypothetically smoothly transition into a non-communist country so fast that the US can't even effective respond, do you really think the US will just hug it out with China? NO, if that happens, the US rhetoric will just transition from anti-communist-left to anti-"fascist"-right. The US has already readied their own population to take China out regardless of whether it is a communist-left country or a "fascist"-right country. The only "good-China" is a poor obedient vulnerable-to-American-power China. For that type of China, the US won't care whether it's run by CPC or some right-wing ultra-nationalistic party.

vincent said:

Who give a damn what the EU morons said? Like it matters to China

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There could be many different and interesting interpretations of mismatched published statements for political, PR, negotiation reasons etc. Depending on people's perspectives and political leanings, we could make plenty of analyses from them. It's a disservice to good discussion if one was to dismiss official statements so cavalierly.

texx1 said:

There could be many different and interesting interpretations of mismatched published statements for political, PR, negotiation reasons etc. Depending on people's perspectives and political leanings, we could make plenty of analyses from them. It's a disservice to good discussion if one was to dismiss official statements so cavalierly.

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White people have been issuing diktats in the last 200 years. The problem for them now is they can’t back their demands with a big stick anymore.