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SanWenYu

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OppositeDay said:
No I'm not advocating for a Sino-Russian split, but a cordial, pragmatic and less ideological relation is better. Sino-Russian relationship was good under Hu Jintao without Hu and Putin being best buddies.

I'd prefer a collective and predictable leadership with a less politicalized and more technocratic bureaucracy. No abrupt policy changes. No sudden introduction of political rhetoric that makes people fear for a second cultural revolution. More transparent policy-making.

I'd also prefer a leadership that tries to reach out to all major segments of the Chinese society, liberal included. Be a bit more socially progressive. Scrap the divorce cooldown period. Make lives of single mothers easier. Right now a sizable part of the Chinese society feel they have zero voice in the political process. No one is there to speak for them. That unhealthy. China should not be naïve about the West, and must stay vigilant against Western liberalism and NGO influence campaigns, but the party should also never forget its progressive roots.
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Sorry if it sounds harsh but I think you are naive to think that Xi has the absolute power in everything and anything China.

I'd have my jaw dropped on floor if it was Xi who demands the divoice cooldown period. How is it Xi's job to make single mother's lives easier? Sure as the top leader he bears the ultimate responsibilities if single moms suffer but he does not, and should not, do micro-management.

Who are the "sizable part of the Chinese society" who have zero voice in the political process? You have to show sources to back up this claim.
 
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Overbom said:
Obviously thats the kind of leader he wants. He still doesn't realise why Xi is taking these actions and also why Russia is so important to China.

Everything that Xi has done so far has already been telegraphed in People's Daily for over 5 years. Anyone who thinks that Xi has suddenly woken up and decided to make these economic changes is lying to himself. People should be clear, 5 years ago(maybe even further sometimes), whatever the People's Daily said, it is happening now steadily.

I would advice people to not simple believe Western propaganda that anything authorative state-media says is simply empty talk. Pay close attention and you will gain some valuable insights on what Xi wants for China to become
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Judging by how much the west despises Xi, I am pretty damn confident he is making the right moves. Remember, a strong China is directly antithetical to western interests and notions of Anglo supremacy. The west's ultimate wet dream is for China to forever remain the world's factory of cheap, plastic goods, for it to never climb the value chain and become technologically independent and competitive. In other words, they want a weak China that can be controlled with sanctions, and at the same time acts as a permanent buffer against inflation. Under Xi's tenure, we are seeing the complete opposite of that.

Go on reddit (or any western social media for that matter) and comment something braindead along the lines of 'winnie pooh xi', you'd get hundreds of upvotes, reddit gold, and a blowjob or two. On the other hand, nobody even knows who Hu Jintao or Jiang Zemin is in the west. Gorbachev was worshipped by Americans. Xi is reviled. I know who I'd rather place my trust in.
 
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Overbom

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OppositeDay said:
I'd also prefer a leadership that tries to reach out to all major segments of the Chinese society, liberal included
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"Liberal" as the guy who wrote that thing about throwing Russia under the bus and trying to get cozy with our American and European "friends"?

I personally want these people to be sent to Siberia for a couple of years in order to put some common sense in their brains.


OppositeDay said:
Be a bit more socially progressive
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Agreed. But, you have to take into account that not everyone (basically the old generation) wants that to happen. I assume you have seen what has happened in the US with IMO their quick changes for social progressive issues.
Also let's not forget that the countryside is not as liberal as the cities. Personally, I think in 5 years time there could be space for some changes to happen.

We just have to wait for more young people to grow up. Thats the way it is.


OppositeDay said:
China should not be naïve about the West, and must stay vigilant against Western liberalism and NGO influence campaigns, but the party should also never forget its progressive roots.
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The people who support progressiveness should then show that they are completely different from their counterparts in the West. The more they keep using Western slogans, tactics, for their own cause the more it (rightly) makes many people and the Party to view them suspiciously.


OppositeDay said:
I'd prefer a collective leadership
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We saw that with Hu. Never again
 
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tokenanalyst

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james smith esq said:
He left-out “Jack-booted” from lock-step!
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No man the news i have been receiving from China is that after hearing the thunderous voice of Scott Morrison China:

-Will impose strong sanctions to Russia.
-Ban all oil imports to Russia, the fear of Scott Morrison is worst than higher gas prices.
-Renounce to the One China Principle.
-Give up nuclear weapons.
-Disband the PLA
-And give 50% of their 3 trillion dollar reserves to Australia as compensation.
 
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Overbom said:
You show your lack of knowledge here. Xi actually tried really hard to make reforms in 2015 and he faced such a huge wall of resistance by interest groups, local governments, corruption, bureaucracy etc that ultimately he had to make a tactical retreat.

Since then he has been slowly but steadily chipping away power from these interest groups while also cleansing the Party and the government from corruption. You realise that his anti-corruption campaign has been transformed to a proper institutionalised work, right?

The big change for Xi came in the 19th Party Congress where he finally gained much more power than he had before. Even then though, he still faced many issues and resistance from entrenched interest groups. However, he also made many economic/tech/political changes and reforms that he (hopefully) gained the trust of the Party to elect him for a 3rd term this year.

Your anger to Xi because (i assume) the HK market went down (btw it just went up today lol) doesn't make sense. China makes decisions based on the real economy, not based on what stocks the computer algorithms decide to sell or not.

As for Ukraine, as I said, the war is still early. For China, there are positives and negatives. We will have to wait to see if the positives will outweigh the negatives. So far IMO things are going ok
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Yes Xi is good at cracking down on entrenched interests, but is he good at building regulatory processes that take legitimate interests of all stakeholders into account? When they announced the crackdown on private tutoring I was fully expecting them to hire more teachers to bring down the sky-high students to teacher ratio in Chinese public schools. But no. Nothing. No plan at all to help hundreds of thousands of people who lost their jobs from the regulatory change.

This is not to deny that they did a lot of good things, like data privacy regulation or giving the go-ahead to genetically edited crops. But some failure were just too spectacular.

SanWenYu said:
Sorry if it sounds harsh but I think you are naive to think that Xi has the absolute power in everything and anything China.

I'd have my jaw dropped on floor if it was Xi who demands the divoice cooldown period. How is it Xi's job to make single mother's lives easier? Sure as the top leader he bears the ultimate responsibilities if single moms suffer but he does not, and should not, do micro-management.

Who are the "sizable part of the Chinese society" who have zero voice in the political process? You have to show sources to back up this claim.
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I was answering the question about the kind of new leadership I'd like to see. It was not about the present leadership, and the issues I mentioned was only to illustrate the point that I want a leadership that tries to appeal to every major segments of the population on at least some issues.

I only have anecdotal evidence from talking to politically engaged people IRL. Xi is easily the most polarizing leader since Zhu Rongji. Well, much more polarizing than Zhu Rongji. People either love him or loathe him, and the bitterness of his critics is nothing like what I've seen before.
 
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OppositeDay said:
When they announced the crackdown on private tutoring I was fully expecting them to hire more teachers to bring down the sky-high students to teacher ratio in Chinese public schools. But no. Nothing. No plan at all to help hundreds of thousands of people who lost their jobs from the regulatory change.
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Proof? Do you expect these things to happen overnight?
OppositeDay said:
People either love him or loathe him, and the bitterness of his critics is nothing like what I've seen before.
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Good. They're bitter because he kicked their sandcastles down, and their sandcastles were built on weakening China.
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; keep kicking their sandcastles in a third, fourth, hell even fifth term. The hating traitors can stay bitter, while the Ximps can keep laughing and looking at America and its supporters fading in the rear view mirror.
 
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OppositeDay said:
I only have anecdotal evidence from talking to politically engaged people IRL. Xi is easily the most polarizing leader since Zhu Rongji. Well, much more polarizing than Zhu Rongji. People either love him or loathe him, and the bitterness of his critics is nothing like what I've seen before.
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Your 'anecdotal' evidence means nothing without evidence

In any case, what really matters is the people's perception of Xi's administration. And approval ratings for the central government are at an all time high, with some surveys indicating ridiculous 90% support.

为人民服务 - Serve the People

I could care less what a bunch of elite oligarchs or billionaires think about Xi.
 
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OppositeDay

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ZeEa5KPul said:
Proof? Do you expect these things to happen overnight?.
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A lot of people lost their jobs overnight because of an abrupt policy change. Is it too much to expect the government to not kill an entire profession without having some policy ready to cushion the blow?
 
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