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el pueblo unido

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OppositeDay said:
A lot of people lost their jobs overnight because of an abrupt policy change. Is it too much to expect the government to not kill an entire profession without having some policy ready to cushion the blow?
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A lot of people lost their jobs because they never had what is considered an actual profession in China in the first place, you are viewing this whole thing in the western standpoint where people living pay check to pay checks. if you get into touch with the actually mandarin society, the problem was never somebody losing their job/jobs, first thing first being NO PARENTS will send their kids to a "补习班" that does not have actually registered teacher with at least “教师资格证” and that's not working for a public school, as the whole point is to improve their kid's exam score. and the more renowned a teacher from one of these business is, the more these parents will likely to pay , as majority of the old generation believes in a quote that's called "不能让孩子输在起跑线上-Don't let kids lose at the starting line
", also, as majority of the older generation still believes that a diplomat from a prestige college is more important than actually quality of the education. this entire mindset was due to the huge population and lack of educational resources back in the early 2000s, the current “应试教育” educational system is the fairest system government can come up with under the circumstance. so, this is not an industry in your imagination, majority of these teachers will just stop doing their "副业" and go back to focus on their day job at public school.

And other schools focused on things like dancing, arts are not included in the policy change, this whole policy was targeted to reduce stress on the society, while making sure the system is still fair to everybody. This is what happens when you spend majority of your time in the English sphere of influence but ignore the basic demands of the average Chinese in their own mindset
 
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james smith esq said:
I’m quite surprised that Chinese public schools would have a “sky-high students to teacher ratio”, as the inverse of this has been proven to be a crucial contributor to, and indicator of, students’ academic success. If the future growth of Chinese STEM students/professionals is to be generalized to a larger proportion of the population, this has to be corrected. Is this an accurate representation of circumstances in China, as a whole? If so, then Opposite Day might have some legitimate concerns?

I’ve always admired Cuba for one statistic in particular, i. e., Cuba has more Teachers and Doctor, per capita, than any other country. Now, that’s Socialism!
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My mother-in-law worked as an early child educator her whole life. She was the principal of a kindergarten until her retirement.

Chinese kindergartens have 40+ kids per class. Canadian kindergartens have 20 kids. Chinese 5-year-olds can do arithmetics under 100, recite the multiplication table, recite Tang dynasty poems, and participate in highly complex choreography in performances. My 5-year-olds in a Canadian kindergarten can barely put on her own boots.

The difference is in how the education is done. Chinese teachers focus on group learning from the start, while Canadian teachers leaves the students to learn at their own pace.

I did grade 1 and 2 in China with a class size of 48. Those two years allowed me to coast through the entire elementary years and part of the secondary years.
 
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LesAdieux

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Lol you're salty because of the drop in stock value to some of the leading Chinese tech companies as if those companies are the raison d'etre for China's economic heft.

With respect to Putin/Russian relationship, how would you preferred any Chinese leader handle one of it's giant, and nuclear superpower neighbour as well as it's biggest commodities trading partner? It seems to me that you'd rather have China not sought out any partnership with Russia while it's under massive attack (trade war, technological war) from America. Being blamed and accused of causing the Covid-19 pandemic thereby damaging China's reputation, and financial standings in the world. Not to mention of being accused of perpetrating a very serious heinous crimes against humanity a.k.a. "Genocide" against it's own ethnic Chinese minority (Uyghurs) in Xinjiang. How about being accused of planning to "invade" a part of it's own territory (Taiwan) needlessly like China is somehow hell bent of usurping a territory for imperial purpose.

Your rhetoric sounds eerily close to what that Shanghainese academic/political advisor allegedly wrote for some publication advising China to essentially abandon Russia, and become subservient to the wishes and demands set by the U.S.

It would be nice to see or read ideas what could or should have Pres.Xi done differently with respect to the approach it made with respect to Russia and the important strategic areas of Sino-US relationships, including the economic domestic approaches that Xi has pushed for. Right now, you seem to have literally being shaken from your support to what you initially thought was a good idea because the time, and operating context for China isn't as drastic or dramatic as they are now. Which leaves me to believe that your support for the policies was tepid at best, and conditional at worst. Meaning that, your support is hollow because now that the going seems to look tougher for China and it's core leadership, you want to wave the white flag and give up.
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this guy wants to give Taiwan a "negotiated independence". he always supports the "open leg" policy.
 
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james smith esq said:
Yeah, and many independent-minded crtical-thinkers come out of American Liberal Arts programs, too; but, aside from anecdotal experiential evidence, what does the scientific literature indicate?

Additionally, Kindergarten and 1st-2nd grade teaching/learning is is quite different from post-concrete-operations teaching/learning.

But, hey, I’m sure the Great Leap Forward And Cultural Revolution were great concepts and methodologies, too, producing long-term positive outcomes for the Chinese people!

In a droning, monotone voice: “Whatever the Great Leader says must be right! Whatever the Great Leader does must be right!” ;)

One of Xi’s core objectives is generalizing China’s progress to a larger proportion of the population. At least attempting to guarantee that highest-quality academic opportunities are provided to as many Chinese students, regardless of socio-economic, or political-party, status would be the most important expression of an honest effort towards that objective. The absence of this is one of the great failures of American public education.
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Coddling kids from a young age does the opposite of making them competitive, the earlier example was case in point.

There is a reason western countries are trying to breathe life back into their undergrad STEM uptake. Lack of any discipline and rigor in class, esp. with regards to a solid foundation in mathematics means most of these kids are dumb as rocks when it comes to STEM.

Sure, there are critical thinking liberal arts grads, however would you trust a lawyer to design a house for you?
 
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el pueblo unido

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solarz said:
My mother-in-law worked as an early child educator her whole life. She was the principal of a kindergarten until her retirement.

Chinese kindergartens have 40+ kids per class. Canadian kindergartens have 20 kids. Chinese 5-year-olds can do arithmetics under 100, recite the multiplication table, recite Tang dynasty poems, and participate in highly complex choreography in performances. My 5-year-olds in a Canadian kindergarten can barely put on her own boots.

The difference is in how the education is done. Chinese teachers focus on group learning from the start, while Canadian teachers leaves the students to learn at their own pace.

I did grade 1 and 2 in China with a class size of 48. Those two years allowed me to coast through the entire elementary years and part of the secondary years.
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In my own opinion, talent is everything in term of education, some kids are just not suitable for some of the school subjects, and then there are the ones that are really good at coping with the education. hence why I think currently the most urgent reform should be to balance the social position between universities (大学) and community college(专科), as the fresh graduate from 专科 is often treated completely different than a university fresh grad, with inferior salary and less interests from HR department. but in the actual world, people's capability should never have been measure by one set of data, or a piece of paper that's called the diplomat. the age of selecting the most talented/capable few from the general mass and make them the elite that improve core sector should have passed, and now the government should focus more on how to make things more efficient and less stressful/rigid, to put more people to their suitable position is much better than painfully force or shaping them into one. And balancing the social position between different type of higher education plus encouraging continued education like in the west is another key to improve the overall efficiency. hence why the stressful 内卷 culture of many aspects of an average Chinese life (such as the 996 culture) should be delt with asap
 
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james smith esq

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tygyg1111 said:
Coddling kids from a young age does the opposite of making them competitive, the earlier example was case in point.

There is a reason western countries are trying to breathe life back into their undergrad STEM uptake. Lack of any discipline and rigor in class, esp. with regards to a solid foundation in mathematics means most of these kids are dumb as rocks when it comes to STEM.

Sure, there are critical thinking liberal arts grads, however would you trust a lawyer to design a house for you?
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Where and when did anyone suggest coddling anyone, was that The Great Leap Forward? Actually, the fundamental problem in the US is with literacy, which is foundational, even to mathematics!

No, I wouldn’t “trust a lawyer to design a house”; neither would I trust a Chemist, Mathematician, Biologist, Electrician, or any Engineer in any of these disciplines. A Structural Engineer? Okay! But, who do you trust to build a society or nation, which STEM disciplines proffer the requisite qualifications thereof?
 
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el pueblo unido said:
In my own opinion, talent is everything in term of education, some kids are just not suitable for some of the school subjects, and then there are the ones that are really good at coping with the education. hence why I think currently the most urgent reform should be to balance the social position between universities (大学) and community college(专科), as the fresh graduate from 专科 is often treated completely different than a university fresh grad, with inferior salary and less interests from HR department. but in the actual world, people's capability should never have been measure by one set of data, or a piece of paper that's called the diplomat. the age of selecting the most talented/capable few from the general mass and make them the elite that improve core sector should have passed, and now the government should focus more on how to make things more efficient and less stressful/rigid, to put more people to their suitable position is much better than painfully force or shaping them into one. And balancing the social position between different type of higher education plus encouraging continued education like in the west is another key to improve the overall efficiency. hence why the stressful 内卷 culture of many aspects of an average Chinese life (such as the 996 culture) should be delt with asap
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It doesn't matter what kind of education system China goes with, the stress comes from having to compete with so many other peers. Happy education simply leads you to failure later on in life, so you'll be stressed *and* left without a recourse to turn your life around.

Sure, there are success stories with entrepreneurs and artists, but for the vast majority of Chinese families, good old education is their most solid bet at a successful career.
 
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