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KenC

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China will retaliate with strong countermeasures if US harm China's interest over the Russia-Ukraine crisis.
I hope China is well prepared for this counter measure. The dual circulation economy and digital Yuan are part of this preparation. And there is no point in accumulating too much US$ and Euros at this stage.


AFP: According to the readout of State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi’s call with Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel Albares, China doesn’t want to be affected by western sanctions on Russia. Could you provide any more details on what “affected” means in this context? Was the foreign minister warning countries against imposing new sanctions on China? Was he saying that China opposes any indirect effects of the current sanctions on its own economy or was he saying something else?

  Zhao Lijian: We have released the relevant readout. China’s position on opposing sanctions is clear. The US lately has made many provocative remarks about China. For example, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said that China will face significant consequences if China supports Russia’s “invasion”. She also said that China and Russia “only make up 15 to 20 percent of the world’s economy. The G7 countries make up more than 50 percent. So there are a range of tools at our disposal in coordination with our European partners should we need to use them”.

The US’ remarks reflect thinly-veiled bullying and intimidation and expose the ingrained Cold War zero-sum mentality and bloc confrontation. They represent another product of the US’ philosophy of doing things “from a position of strength”. On the Ukraine issue, China has been independently making its judgment and expounding on its proposition based on the merits of the matter in an objective and just manner. China has been calling for dialogue and negotiation, working for deescalation of the situation and putting forward China’s initiative to resolve the current crisis. Any disinformation that dismisses China’s efforts, misrepresents China’s intention and slings mud on China with lies is irresponsible and unethical. I want to reiterate that sanctions are never effective means to solve problems. China opposes all forms of unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” by the US. We will resolutely defend the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese companies and individuals. Wielding the baton of sanctions while seeking China’s support and cooperation simply won’t work. We urge the US not to undermine China’s legitimate rights and interests in any form. If the US insists on going its own way, China will definitely take strong countermeasures.
 
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KenC said:
She also said that China and Russia “only make up 15 to 20 percent of the world’s economy. The G7 countries make up more than 50 percent. So there are a range of tools at our disposal in coordination with our European partners should we need to use them”.
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The propaganda spokesperson says that:

"She also said that China and Russia “only make up 15 to 20 percent of the world’s economy. The G7 countries make up more than 50 percent."

Is that expanding, or shrinking?

Is it shrinking fast?

:D
 
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OppositeDay

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Wsj reporting about china should be taken with salt. But the claim that hardcore reformers like Zhu don't like Xi's policy should not have come as a surprise to anyone who makes an effort of following PRC politics. The question is always how much influence Zhu and his followers have.
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It's also not secret that Jiang doesn't like Xi either.

The biggest argument for Xi's third term is stability, but his policy initiatives in the past year had been destabilizing on multiple fronts. The same goes for his relationship with Putin. The biggest lesson from the history of Sino-Soviet relation was that ideology should be minimalized. I'm anti-Western, but I think the ideological bond between Xi and Putin based on their shared anti-Western worldview is dangerous.

Xi has also been campaigning on institutional reforms but the string of abrupt and sometimes insufficiently vetted policies showed Xi's success on this front had been limited. Some may even attribute the policy mishaps to Xi's overpoliticization of the bureaucracy.

Xi has always been divisive, and I've consistently been on the pro-Xi side. But now I would welcome a change in leadership. The benefits of Xi's third term no longer justify the cost of breaking the norm on term limit, IMO.
 
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OppositeDay said:
It's also not secret that Jiang doesn't like Xi either.

The biggest argument for Xi's third term is stability, but his policy initiatives in the past year had been destabilizing on multiple fronts. The same goes for his relationship with Putin. The biggest lesson from the history of Sino-Soviet relation was that ideology should be minimalized. I'm anti-Western, but I think the ideological bond between Xi and Putin based on their shared anti-Western worldview is dangerous.

Xi has also been campaigning on institutional reforms but the string of abrupt and sometimes insufficiently vetted policies showed Xi's success on this front had been limited. Some may even attribute the policy mishaps to Xi's overpoliticization of the bureaucracy.

Xi has always been divisive, and I've consistently been on the pro-Xi side. But now I would welcome a change in leadership. The benefits of Xi's third term no longer justify the cost of breaking the norm on term limit, IMO.
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Given the current Western attempt to subvert and destroy China since the Obama Era. I don’t see a good reason why there should be a change in leadership at this critical decade. If the ideological bond on the West between Xi and Putin is dangerous then should China and Russia split relations again to normalize relations with the West? Should they let the West do whatever they want because it too dangerous for the US world order to change?

For the last few and several years, a coup attempt in Belarus and Kazakhstan, successful coup of Ukraine, continuation to expand eastward to surround Russia. Then you got Obama pivot to Asia, that is looking to militarily contain China not economically. The South China Sea didn’t start getting militarized until a year after Obama pivot to Asia. The emergence of QUAD to act as military counter to China.

What kind of leadership change are you suggesting? The West will not stop at anything less then suppressing China and destroying any technological foundation China has. Just a few months ago, a German Admiral said they needed Russia against China. The last thing China needs is an “Mikhail Gorbachev” or anyone who acts weak against the West as they do the opposite.
 
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FriedButter said:
Given the current Western attempt to subvert and destroy China since the Obama Era. I don’t see a good reason why there should be a change in leadership at this critical decade. If the ideological bond on the West between Xi and Putin is dangerous then should China and Russia split relations again to normalize relations with the West? Should they let the West do whatever they want because it too dangerous for the US world order to change?

For the last few and several years, a coup attempt in Belarus and Kazakhstan, successful coup of Ukraine, continuation to expand eastward to surround Russia. Then you got Obama pivot to Asia, that is looking to militarily contain China not economically. The South China Sea didn’t start getting militarized until a year after Obama pivot to Asia. The emergence of QUAD to act as military counter to China.

What kind of leadership change are you suggesting? The West will not stop at anything less then suppressing China and destroying any technological foundation China has. Just a few months ago, a German Admiral said they needed Russia against China. The last thing China needs is an “Mikhail Gorbachev” or anyone who acts weak against the West as they do the opposite.
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Not to mention, that Donald Trump is coming back in 2024. As the West devolves into rapid xenophobia against anything that is Russian or Chinese alongside the rise of popularism and wokeism. It’s simply too dangerous for Xi-Putin views on the west to continue as the Guest on Fox News is calling for soldiers to sit on a throne of Chinese skulls.

That ship has long since sailed off and it wasn’t Xi and Putin steering it but Obama, Trump, and Biden on the bridge. Let me ask you. Has the relation deteriorated because of the actions of Russia and China or the US? Who was seeking to change the status quo first after the dissolution of the USSR? I didn’t see Russia expanding Westward in the early 2000s nor did I see China making offensive moves against the US in the early 2010s. The US did all of that.
 
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tokenanalyst

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KenC said:
China will retaliate with strong countermeasures if US harm China's interest over the Russia-Ukraine crisis.
I hope China is well prepared for this counter measure. The dual circulation economy and digital Yuan are part of this preparation. And there is no point in accumulating too much US$ and Euros at this stage.


AFP: According to the readout of State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi’s call with Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel Albares, China doesn’t want to be affected by western sanctions on Russia. Could you provide any more details on what “affected” means in this context? Was the foreign minister warning countries against imposing new sanctions on China? Was he saying that China opposes any indirect effects of the current sanctions on its own economy or was he saying something else?

  Zhao Lijian: We have released the relevant readout. China’s position on opposing sanctions is clear. The US lately has made many provocative remarks about China. For example, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said that China will face significant consequences if China supports Russia’s “invasion”. She also said that China and Russia “only make up 15 to 20 percent of the world’s economy. The G7 countries make up more than 50 percent. So there are a range of tools at our disposal in coordination with our European partners should we need to use them”.

The US’ remarks reflect thinly-veiled bullying and intimidation and expose the ingrained Cold War zero-sum mentality and bloc confrontation. They represent another product of the US’ philosophy of doing things “from a position of strength”. On the Ukraine issue, China has been independently making its judgment and expounding on its proposition based on the merits of the matter in an objective and just manner. China has been calling for dialogue and negotiation, working for deescalation of the situation and putting forward China’s initiative to resolve the current crisis. Any disinformation that dismisses China’s efforts, misrepresents China’s intention and slings mud on China with lies is irresponsible and unethical. I want to reiterate that sanctions are never effective means to solve problems. China opposes all forms of unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” by the US. We will resolutely defend the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese companies and individuals. Wielding the baton of sanctions while seeking China’s support and cooperation simply won’t work. We urge the US not to undermine China’s legitimate rights and interests in any form. If the US insists on going its own way, China will definitely take strong countermeasures.
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-No taking out Huawei of the blacklist.
-No reduction of tariff.
-No even a single damn signal to reduce tensions.

No a single gesture of goodwill.

Is always: We demand, You Obey.
 
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