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Taiwan should destroy chip infrastructure if China invades: paper​


NEW YORK -- In the most-downloaded paper published by the U.S. Army War College in 2021, two American scholars propose a Taiwan deterrence strategy to render the island so "unwantable" that it would make no logical sense for China to seize it by force.

One key recommendation is for the U.S. and Taiwan to threaten to destroy facilities of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. -- the world's most important chipmaker and China's most important supplier -- if Beijing invades.
Samsung, based in U.S. ally South Korea, would be the only alternative for cutting-edge designs. If TSMC went offline, "China's high-tech industries would be immobilized at precisely the same time the nation was embroiled in a massive war effort," the authors note. "Even when the formal war ended, the economic costs would persist for years,"
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suggests, adding that such a scenario could hurt the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party.

The challenge, the authors argue, is to make such a threat credible. "An automatic mechanism might be designed, which would be triggered once an invasion was confirmed," they write.

"Despite a huge Chinese effort for a 'Made in China' chip industry, only 6% of semiconductors used in China were produced domestically in 2020," the paper notes.

"Broken Nest: Deterring China from Invading Taiwan" was written by Jared McKinney, chair of the Department of Strategy and Security Studies at the eSchool of Graduate Professional Military Education, Air University, and Peter Harris, associate professor of political science at Colorado State University. The views do not necessarily represent those of Air University or the U.S. Air Force, McKinney said.

China has responded strongly to the report. On Dec. 23, the website of the Chinese State Council's Taiwan Affairs Office posted an article noting that "the mainland's pursuit of cross-strait reunification is definitely not for TSMC."
The controversial approach stems from an acknowledgement that traditional deterrence strategies -- such as forward-deploying American warships in Taiwan's vicinity -- may not be enough to discourage Beijing from taking action in the Taiwan Strait.

The People's Liberation Army's goal for a successful invasion was 14 hours, a Chinese analyst with connections in the PLA Navy told the authors. The U.S. and Japan, meanwhile, would need 24 hours to respond, according to a PLA projection cited in the paper.

"If this scenario is close to being accurate, China's government might well be inclined to attempt a fait accompli as soon as it is confident in its relative capabilities," McKinney and Harris write.
While ensuring that key chip-producing facilities do not fall into Beijing's hands, the U.S. and allies could also form contingency plans to quickly evacuate highly skilled Taiwanese working in this sector and give them refuge, the paper proposes.

The authors acknowledge that this "scorched-earth" strategy will be unappealing to the Taiwanese. But the costs "will be far less devastating to the people of Taiwan than the U.S. threat of great power war, which would see massive and prolonged fighting in, above, and beside Taiwan," they continue.

McKinney told Nikkei Asia that the plan brings the economic instruments of power into the deterrence argument and that it offers "an alternative to fighting a great power war at a location 5,000 miles west of Hawaii, a prohibitively difficult proposition."

Harris said: "If the U.S. and Taiwan wish to deter China from invading, then they should look for means of doing so that do not rely on the threat of U.S. military reprisals. Relying exclusively on military threats is becoming less credible and thus more dangerous."

Meanwhile, the paper proposes making efforts to convince Beijing of the "considerable advantages" to maintaining the status quo.

"Washington must restate in unambiguous terms the status of Taiwan is undetermined, that the United States has no plans to support independent statehood for Taiwan, and it will not seek to shift the status quo using gray-zone tactics that violate the spirit of Sino-American rapprochement," the authors write.

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What an absolute classic garbage analysis by these garbage American analysts. This analysis goes up right with then American analysis that toppling of Saddam Hussein and the democratization of Iraq would usher in the new utopia in the middle east. Trillions of $$ later coupled with the thousands of U.S. military lives and casualties plus the estimated displacement of 37 million people (
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) resulted from America's stellar War on Terror, everything else seems peachy.

The Americans have become lazy, fat, and ignorant of history not mention dismissive of her opponents will and determination to fight to the end which has time and time again showed America why it lost and will continue to lose it's hegemonic and idiotic war of choise.

Taiwan with or without TSMC will be reunification by the mainland, the reason for this is historical and almost a century in the making.

The U.S. has become too arrogant and too drunk with it's power and assumption of her manifest crap destiny that's it lost any serious strategic thinking not to mention appointing people based on their acumen and not on some deeply flawed wishful thinking.
 

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IJA concentrating on Siberia would just mean they all starve to death because there's nothing in Siberia beyond Vladivostok.

Russia also had a 1:1 kill ratio in the Russo Japanese War, and you can't compare backwards Russian Empire with Soviet Union having 3rd highest GDP in the world.

Yes China made great contributions to WW2 but it was by defeating the Japanese Army and forcing Japan to invest in ground forces. We could not defeat Japan totally due to the lack of a navy. That is the fault of the weak ROC government which couldn't even match the Qing Dynasty.
It would be because Japan had not yet conquered China therefor turning China as its supply base to fight the USSR. And that was because China was fighting.
 

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I remember reading after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Eastern European countries resented China because the West outsourced to China and not them when China was communist. Am I surprised when an Eastern European country has a problem with China? No. Am I surprised there are a lot of white supremacist skinhead groups in Eastern Europe? No, and the two probably have a lot to do with one another.
This is not entirely true.
Skinheads were predominantly a counterculture movement starting with the emergence of punk rock in Britain in the 60's. Naturally, the USSR/Communism, dominating Eastern Europe, became the authority to rebel against. As such, the skinhead culture drew a lot of influence from the fascist/nazi/anti-communist movements from the WW2 era.

A lot of these Eastern European governments don't want to clamp down on the nationalistic aspect of far right groups as to look unpatriotic. At the same time, these far right groups use the shield of anti-communist/anti-Soviet resistance to cover up their racist leanings.

Lithuania is not as bad as Latvia which has a SS parade every year to the disgust of the many Jews and Russians
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(Bonus shot of a skinhead)

Are Eastern Europeans really that against China?
A 2019 survey would say otherwise
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I bet if the CPC was called something like "People's Power Party", it would get a few extra points in most places.

It is my personal opinion that Eastern Europeans actually resent EU more than China. There was this idea that early in the 2000's that West-EU countries would want to invest in and refurbish the industrial base established by the Soviet Bloc. Instead all the outsourcing investment went to Asia, the academic and skilled workers were brain drained to Western Europe and their home countries were saddled with infrastructure debt.
 

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Taiwan should destroy chip infrastructure if China invades: paper​


NEW YORK -- In the most-downloaded paper published by the U.S. Army War College in 2021, two American scholars propose a Taiwan deterrence strategy to render the island so "unwantable" that it would make no logical sense for China to seize it by force.

One key recommendation is for the U.S. and Taiwan to threaten to destroy facilities of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. -- the world's most important chipmaker and China's most important supplier -- if Beijing invades.
Samsung, based in U.S. ally South Korea, would be the only alternative for cutting-edge designs. If TSMC went offline, "China's high-tech industries would be immobilized at precisely the same time the nation was embroiled in a massive war effort," the authors note. "Even when the formal war ended, the economic costs would persist for years,"
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suggests, adding that such a scenario could hurt the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party.

The challenge, the authors argue, is to make such a threat credible. "An automatic mechanism might be designed, which would be triggered once an invasion was confirmed," they write.

"Despite a huge Chinese effort for a 'Made in China' chip industry, only 6% of semiconductors used in China were produced domestically in 2020," the paper notes.

"Broken Nest: Deterring China from Invading Taiwan" was written by Jared McKinney, chair of the Department of Strategy and Security Studies at the eSchool of Graduate Professional Military Education, Air University, and Peter Harris, associate professor of political science at Colorado State University. The views do not necessarily represent those of Air University or the U.S. Air Force, McKinney said.

China has responded strongly to the report. On Dec. 23, the website of the Chinese State Council's Taiwan Affairs Office posted an article noting that "the mainland's pursuit of cross-strait reunification is definitely not for TSMC."
The controversial approach stems from an acknowledgement that traditional deterrence strategies -- such as forward-deploying American warships in Taiwan's vicinity -- may not be enough to discourage Beijing from taking action in the Taiwan Strait.

The People's Liberation Army's goal for a successful invasion was 14 hours, a Chinese analyst with connections in the PLA Navy told the authors. The U.S. and Japan, meanwhile, would need 24 hours to respond, according to a PLA projection cited in the paper.

"If this scenario is close to being accurate, China's government might well be inclined to attempt a fait accompli as soon as it is confident in its relative capabilities," McKinney and Harris write.
While ensuring that key chip-producing facilities do not fall into Beijing's hands, the U.S. and allies could also form contingency plans to quickly evacuate highly skilled Taiwanese working in this sector and give them refuge, the paper proposes.

The authors acknowledge that this "scorched-earth" strategy will be unappealing to the Taiwanese. But the costs "will be far less devastating to the people of Taiwan than the U.S. threat of great power war, which would see massive and prolonged fighting in, above, and beside Taiwan," they continue.

McKinney told Nikkei Asia that the plan brings the economic instruments of power into the deterrence argument and that it offers "an alternative to fighting a great power war at a location 5,000 miles west of Hawaii, a prohibitively difficult proposition."

Harris said: "If the U.S. and Taiwan wish to deter China from invading, then they should look for means of doing so that do not rely on the threat of U.S. military reprisals. Relying exclusively on military threats is becoming less credible and thus more dangerous."

Meanwhile, the paper proposes making efforts to convince Beijing of the "considerable advantages" to maintaining the status quo.

"Washington must restate in unambiguous terms the status of Taiwan is undetermined, that the United States has no plans to support independent statehood for Taiwan, and it will not seek to shift the status quo using gray-zone tactics that violate the spirit of Sino-American rapprochement," the authors write.

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America is saying, for Taiwan's own good, it is necessary to destroy TSMC in Taiwan. Hence the excuse to transfer TSMC to Phoenix, Arizona with its employees and trade secrets.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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What's the protest about anyway? Nevermind, apparently the rising anger and the protest is about the rising cost of energy.



It's unfortunate that the YouTube linke from AFP doesn't work but looking through the actions of the government against Kazakhstani people one can be forgiven for even assuming that they're Chinese and the aggressive action are being made by the PAP. It's not even inconceivable for any malicious actor to try and splice the videos from this country and make it look like it's happening or being done in China like many other alleged and cooked up anti-China drivel/propaganda.
 
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Taiwan should destroy chip infrastructure if China invades: paper​


NEW YORK -- In the most-downloaded paper published by the U.S. Army War College in 2021, two American scholars propose a Taiwan deterrence strategy to render the island so "unwantable" that it would make no logical sense for China to seize it by force.

One key recommendation is for the U.S. and Taiwan to threaten to destroy facilities of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. -- the world's most important chipmaker and China's most important supplier -- if Beijing invades.
Samsung, based in U.S. ally South Korea, would be the only alternative for cutting-edge designs. If TSMC went offline, "China's high-tech industries would be immobilized at precisely the same time the nation was embroiled in a massive war effort," the authors note. "Even when the formal war ended, the economic costs would persist for years,"
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suggests, adding that such a scenario could hurt the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party.

The challenge, the authors argue, is to make such a threat credible. "An automatic mechanism might be designed, which would be triggered once an invasion was confirmed," they write.

"Despite a huge Chinese effort for a 'Made in China' chip industry, only 6% of semiconductors used in China were produced domestically in 2020," the paper notes.

"Broken Nest: Deterring China from Invading Taiwan" was written by Jared McKinney, chair of the Department of Strategy and Security Studies at the eSchool of Graduate Professional Military Education, Air University, and Peter Harris, associate professor of political science at Colorado State University. The views do not necessarily represent those of Air University or the U.S. Air Force, McKinney said.

China has responded strongly to the report. On Dec. 23, the website of the Chinese State Council's Taiwan Affairs Office posted an article noting that "the mainland's pursuit of cross-strait reunification is definitely not for TSMC."
The controversial approach stems from an acknowledgement that traditional deterrence strategies -- such as forward-deploying American warships in Taiwan's vicinity -- may not be enough to discourage Beijing from taking action in the Taiwan Strait.

The People's Liberation Army's goal for a successful invasion was 14 hours, a Chinese analyst with connections in the PLA Navy told the authors. The U.S. and Japan, meanwhile, would need 24 hours to respond, according to a PLA projection cited in the paper.

"If this scenario is close to being accurate, China's government might well be inclined to attempt a fait accompli as soon as it is confident in its relative capabilities," McKinney and Harris write.
While ensuring that key chip-producing facilities do not fall into Beijing's hands, the U.S. and allies could also form contingency plans to quickly evacuate highly skilled Taiwanese working in this sector and give them refuge, the paper proposes.

The authors acknowledge that this "scorched-earth" strategy will be unappealing to the Taiwanese. But the costs "will be far less devastating to the people of Taiwan than the U.S. threat of great power war, which would see massive and prolonged fighting in, above, and beside Taiwan," they continue.

McKinney told Nikkei Asia that the plan brings the economic instruments of power into the deterrence argument and that it offers "an alternative to fighting a great power war at a location 5,000 miles west of Hawaii, a prohibitively difficult proposition."

Harris said: "If the U.S. and Taiwan wish to deter China from invading, then they should look for means of doing so that do not rely on the threat of U.S. military reprisals. Relying exclusively on military threats is becoming less credible and thus more dangerous."

Meanwhile, the paper proposes making efforts to convince Beijing of the "considerable advantages" to maintaining the status quo.

"Washington must restate in unambiguous terms the status of Taiwan is undetermined, that the United States has no plans to support independent statehood for Taiwan, and it will not seek to shift the status quo using gray-zone tactics that violate the spirit of Sino-American rapprochement," the authors write.

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So, the bonehead authors of that shit piece are now at step 3 - bargaining stage.

It won’t be so bad (for the US) when China takes Taiwan if we can smash as much of value as possible so it doesn’t fall into Chinese hands.

Next they would be suggesting Taiwan strap explosives charges to all the priceless Chinese artefacts at is palace loot museum and hold them hostage as well.

Hell, if they thought there would be a snowball’s chance in hell of people actually listening, i have zero doubt they would advocate every man woman and child in Taiwan strap on suicide vests and turn themselves into 23m suicide bombers just to kill as many Chinese as possible. Hope they themselves get their just desserts in American Civil War Part2.
 
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