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Phead128

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MortyandRick said:
If you read it carefully, it's it's a loaded question leading respondents to this result. Basically asks which neighbour is the biggest security threat excluding North Korea. So its between China to Japan. Faced with that question, no doubt most will say china. Also security threat can include economic and military threat. It's made in such a way that it leads to Koreans choosing china for their answer. Pretty obvious.

If you read the other article below, in April the survey showed 4/5 Koreans see china as a threat. So 7/10 is actually lower I suppose. That being said, there is negative media in Korea against China but china handled it well.
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Still, a permanently divided Korea is in the best interest of China.

A) unified Korea will withdrew all Korean FDI from mainland China and redirect it to modernize North Korean manufacturing.

B) North Korean labor costs is significantly lower than Chinese, and esp. with South Korean industrial expertise, will leapfrog even faster in modernization.

C) unified Korea will steal Chinese manufacturing just like unified Vietnam, and likely renew territotial dispute over Gando/jiandao with China and ADIZ and Socotra rock.

D) US troops and US alliance will be on the doorsteps of Yalu River.


After "helping" Vietnamese unification, we got a ungrateful cunt neighbor that plays both sides. We should work with US and Japan to keep the Koreans divided much as possible as long as possible to avoid another ungrateful cunt neighbor a la Vietnam.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
“We came here to chase the American dream,” Peng said. “We don’t want this to happen to any other family.”

The China initiative enacted during the Trump administration hasn't produced anything of value or turned up real "Chinese espionage" cases but it has successfully created a lot of anxiety, trepidation amongst the American-Chinese that's received the large brunt of often baseless accusation of colluding with China.

Ironically, this very idiotic and self-sabotaging program will drive a wedge and away a number of these highly-qualified, highly-accomplished academics, engineers to work for China which is a self-fulfilling prophecy and self-inflicted wound for the United States of America.

It seems that America hasn't truly learned from it's history. From the internment of American-Japanese at the height of WWII to their dumb and idiotic War on Terror America is unwilling to learn from it's mistakes because it has yet to truly be punished and pay for those mistakes.

American loves to be told a comfortable fantasy rather than confronting and acknowledging an uncomfortable truth. The degradation of the American middle-class has nothing to do with China but everything to do with your lying, corrupt politicians. If this truth is not embraced but instead proceed on ramping up the anti-China hysteria it is simply creating the unnecessary and in my opinion the self-defeating strategy of creating a monster it can't and will not be able to subdue let alone defeat and that's China.

China has been around the blocks for far too long to be tamed and controlled by a modern entity/republic called the U.S. It's past successes due to many factors have gone to their head assuming that their place at the top is forever. Hubris is a disease that has no known cure.


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This in the end is why this next few years will be a crucial number of years for the USA. If the USA can unite and work together, they may be able to find a way to handle its own crisis but if they remain divided, they might not only go the way of Rome, but they will ultimately destroy itself without knowing why and even if they do know, have no real way to save itself, just like that movie 'don't look up'.
For added humiliation, even if the elites and the wealthy really do escape the nation to safe places, with the USA gone from the world, I am pretty sure that many nations won't hesitate to come after these pest and show no mercy to these people who have long over stayed they welcome. Its a know fact that the USA isn't a respected nation around the world and if the USA loses its place, not very many nations would be willing to see them come back and continue to waste the worlds resources like a bunch of fat over blown pigs when really their are better places to utilize those resources for the long term survival of the planet.
The idea that the USA is necessary for the long term survival of the planet is a big joke cooked up by the media in a desperate attempt to remain relevant in a ever changing world
 
Bellum_Romanum

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Phead128 said:
Still, a permanently divided Korea is in the best interest of China.

A) unified Korea will withdrew all Korean FDI from mainland China and redirect it to modernize North Korean manufacturing.

B) North Korean labor costs is significantly lower than Chinese, and esp. with South Korean industrial expertise, will leapfrog even faster in modernization.

C) unified Korea will steal Chinese manufacturing just like unified Vietnam, and likely renew territotial dispute over Gando/jiandao with China and ADIZ and Socotra rock.

D) US troops and US alliance will be on the doorsteps of Yalu River.


After "helping" Vietnamese unification, we got a ungrateful cunt neighbor that plays both sides. We should work with US and Japan to keep the Koreans divided much as possible as long as possible to avoid another ungrateful cunt neighbor a la Vietnam.
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I don't agree with the entirety of your argument for the continued division of Korea. In my opinion once China has truly achieved it's economic modernization, Taiwan reunification and able to leap frog the U.S. in nominal gdp along with the U.S. being permanently removed from the Asia Pacific militarily then China shouldn't not and ought not to fear a competition with it's closest neighbor that is Korea.

We shouldn't perpetuate or fear the eventuality of Korea seeking further development and economic of it's own country and China shouldn't be like the coward that's the U.S. in it's geopolitical aims and objectives. When the conditions I laid out earlier are met then China by it's sheer size in pop. Geography, militarily, economically would be the preeminent power in Asia that countries like Korea will ensure to work within this context because trying to cause some kind of conflict with a China that strong will be FUBAR for Korea.
 
Phead128

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Bellum_Romanum said:
I don't agree with the entirety of your argument for the continued division of Korea. In my opinion once China has truly achieved it's economic modernization, Taiwan reunification and able to leap frog the U.S. in nominal gdp along with the U.S. being permanently removed from the Asia Pacific militarily then China shouldn't not and ought not to fear a competition with it's closest neighbor that is Korea.

We shouldn't perpetuate or fear the eventuality of Korea seeking further development and economic of it's own country and China shouldn't be like the coward that's the U.S. in it's geopolitical aims and objectives. When the conditions I laid out earlier are met then China by it's sheer size in pop. Geography, militarily, economically would be the preeminent power in Asia that countries like Korea will ensure to work within this context because trying to cause some kind of conflict with a China that strong will be FUBAR for Korea.
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We need to win a war to change the alliance structure. Just being big economy and big population won't induce Korea to drop it's alliance. It take a war to do that, if it gets to that point, might as well install your own puppet govt.

Korea will play both sides for maximum benefit, so it's just best for China to keep the status quo forever unless it can be Han dynasty 2.0 and militarily eject US from peninsula and impose it's security architecture on its own terms.
 
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MortyandRick said:
If you read it carefully, it's it's a loaded question leading respondents to this result. Basically asks which neighbour is the biggest security threat excluding North Korea. So its between China to Japan. Faced with that question, no doubt most will say china. Also security threat can include economic and military threat. It's made in such a way that it leads to Koreans choosing china for their answer. Pretty obvious.

If you read the other article below, in April the survey showed 4/5 Koreans see china as a threat. So 7/10 is actually lower I suppose. That being said, there is negative media in Korea against China but china handled it well.
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Thanks, good that you pointed that out.

I really do not believe that poll to be true. In other words, it is bs.

In the past, maybe just 10 years ago, the foreign students in China, the greatest number came from South Korea.

Today, apparently South Korean students when they go abroad to study, America is the first and China is the second choice.

Here are South Korean young people actually making a commitment towards their future, going to a country who they are suppose to hate?

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Uniqlo won't choose between U.S. and China, CEO says

Yanai says Japanese companies must look abroad because home market has no future

TOKYO -- Uniqlo will not take sides in the simmering tensions between the U.S. and China, says the CEO of the Japanese casualwear chain's operator, Fast Retailing.

"The U.S. approach is to force companies to show their allegiance. I wanted to show that I won't play that game," Tadashi Yanai told Nikkei recently.

Yanai also notes that behind the war of words between the two global powers, U.S.-Chinese economic ties are actually in very good shape, with solid capital and trade flows.


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