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Bellum_Romanum

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I have this creeping concern that if and when the worst case scenario unfortunately happens due to the Taiwan issue, countries like India, Japan, etc would assist U. S. NATO led alliance in attacking China no question about it. It's imperative from a pure strategic reasons that countries who may oppose Washington do not want to change the status quo or upend the existing order only to be replaced with a country that's only NOT WESTERN, A RACE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INFERIOR IN EVERY POSSIBLE Way; but most of all the POLITICAL SYSTEM that rhymes with Barbarism a.k.a. COMMUNISM will gain so much traction worldwide that if China succeeds on all front it'll help bring down or topple the democratic governments in the world whose population have been the most unhappy and dissatisfied with the system or governance of which they have been operating under.

Let's not forget that we have all been told from toddler to adulthood that democracy is the best system bar none and communism was the system designed for tyranny and is anthetisis to Free people of the world. But as we have been able to witness China has managed to grow her economy in a manner that's unprecedented in history under a system that's supposed to be the most ineffective and inefficient in delivering material wealth to anyone. And as China seeks to move up the value chain while at the same time the economic conditions and societal crisis are hitting and affecting the western world society at an inflection point, their governments have decidedly made the conscious effort to make an all out BLITZKRIEG attack on China's government to divert away their failures and incompetence against a country whose governance system have a strong negative impact on their population. So the transition to hate, dislike a country that is never been understood is very easy. The demonization of the CPC by pointing out ad nauseum the party's failures, missteps while disregarding the party's achievements that's frankly unequalled in history for obvious reasons. Great leap famine, cultural revolution, tianmen Square, have been repeated, exaggerated ad infinitum.

The denial of legitimacy invite and foment instability, dissatisfaction, chaos, and then revolution. A revolution that western interests almost succeeded in 1989.

China I hope is prepared to go Banzai if that's the eventual outcome the controlling interest seeks. If China fails then we will always be forever in servitude of the west in my opinion.
 
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solarz

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I have this creeping concern that if and when the worst case scenario unfortunately happens due to the Taiwan issue, countries like India, Japan, etc would assist U. S. NATO led alliance in attacking China no question about it. It's imperative from a pure strategic reasons that countries who may oppose Washington do not want to change the status quo or upend the existing order only to be replaced with a country that's only NOT WESTERN, A RACE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INFERIOR IN EVERY POSSIBLE Way; but most of all the POLITICAL SYSTEM that rhymes with Barbarism a.k.a. COMMUNISM will gain so much traction worldwide that if China succeeds on all front it'll help bring down or topple the democratic governments in the world whose population have been the most unhappy and dissatisfied with the system or governance of which they have been operating under.

Let's not forget that we have all been told from toddler to adulthood that democracy is the best system bar none and communism was the system designed for tyranny and is anthetisis to Free people of the world. But as we have been able to witness China has managed to grow her economy in a manner that's unprecedented in history under a system that's supposed to be the most ineffective and inefficient in delivering material wealth to anyone. And as China seeks to move up the value chain while at the same time the economic conditions and societal crisis are hitting and affecting the western world society at an inflection point, their governments have decidedly made the conscious effort to make an all out BLITZKRIEG attack on China's government to divert away their failures and incompetence against a country whose governance system have a strong negative impact on their population. So the transition to hate, dislike a country that is never been understood is very easy. The demonization of the CPC by pointing out ad nauseum the party's failures, missteps while disregarding the party's achievements that's frankly unequalled in history for obvious reasons. Great leap famine, cultural revolution, tianmen Square, have been repeated, exaggerated ad infinitum.

The denial of legitimacy invite and foment instability, dissatisfaction, chaos, and then revolution. A revolution that western interests almost succeeded in 1989.

China I hope is prepared to go Banzai if that's the eventual outcome the controlling interest seeks. If China fails then we will always be forever in servitude of the west in my opinion.

This will never happen for a simple reason: nukes.

You never want to escalate a conflict with a nuclear power.
 

Topazchen

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I have this creeping concern that if and when the worst case scenario unfortunately happens due to the Taiwan issue, countries like India, Japan, etc would assist U. S. NATO led alliance in attacking China no question about it. It's imperative from a pure strategic reasons that countries who may oppose Washington do not want to change the status quo or upend the existing order only to be replaced with a country that's only NOT WESTERN, A RACE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INFERIOR IN EVERY POSSIBLE Way; but most of all the POLITICAL SYSTEM that rhymes with Barbarism a.k.a. COMMUNISM will gain so much traction worldwide that if China succeeds on all front it'll help bring down or topple the democratic governments in the world whose population have been the most unhappy and dissatisfied with the system or governance of which they have been operating under.

Let's not forget that we have all been told from toddler to adulthood that democracy is the best system bar none and communism was the system designed for tyranny and is anthetisis to Free people of the world. But as we have been able to witness China has managed to grow her economy in a manner that's unprecedented in history under a system that's supposed to be the most ineffective and inefficient in delivering material wealth to anyone. And as China seeks to move up the value chain while at the same time the economic conditions and societal crisis are hitting and affecting the western world society at an inflection point, their governments have decidedly made the conscious effort to make an all out BLITZKRIEG attack on China's government to divert away their failures and incompetence against a country whose governance system have a strong negative impact on their population. So the transition to hate, dislike a country that is never been understood is very easy. The demonization of the CPC by pointing out ad nauseum the party's failures, missteps while disregarding the party's achievements that's frankly unequalled in history for obvious reasons. Great leap famine, cultural revolution, tianmen Square, have been repeated, exaggerated ad infinitum.

The denial of legitimacy invite and foment instability, dissatisfaction, chaos, and then revolution. A revolution that western interests almost succeeded in 1989.

China I hope is prepared to go Banzai if that's the eventual outcome the controlling interest seeks. If China fails then we will always be forever in servitude of the west in my opinion.
China can only be brought on her knees should she miscalculate and attack Taiwan prematurely before finishing her modernization efforts .All this ganging up by caucasians wont amount much as the war will be on the economic front and Beijing's best weapon is time .A china that has 25 trillion dollars in GDP by 2030 will outsepend these AUKUS ,QUAD - or whatever initials they come up with - to bankrupty
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I have trust in the current leadership to stay the course .Remember that a rejuvenated China = a rejuvenated global south .
 

Appix

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A must read article about the speech from former Chinese ambassador to the US, Cui Tiankai. Interesting tidbits from Cui Tiankai revealed in the article. I like the no-nonsense reality in those tidbits.

Beijing must prepare well for a roller-coaster ride in
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because Washington’s containment strategy towards China has no bottom line, the former Chinese envoy to Washington said.

Speaking at a conference in Beijing, Cui Tiankai, the country’s longest-serving ambassador to the United States, warned against any “carelessness, slackness and incompetence” in China’s dealing with the US.

“Every bit of the people’s interest is hard-earned and we must not allow anyone to plunder it or make it suffer through our own carelessness, slackness and incompetence,” Cui told Chinese diplomats and academics at an annual seminar hosted by the China Institute of International Studies at the Diaoyutai State Guesthouse in Beijing on Monday.

“The current stage of history in
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s will continue for quite some time, and the US will not willingly accept the rise of a power with a very different social system, ideology, cultural traditions and even ethnicity,” Cui said, adding that there had been “a very strong element of racism” in Washington’s China policy.

“The US will inevitably try every possible means and spare no effort, even without a bottom line, to suppress, contain, divide and besiege China,” he said.


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windsclouds2030

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This will never happen for a simple reason: nukes.

You never want to escalate a conflict with a nuclear power.
I do believe China needs more credible nuke for such messaging...

Some in the West still think that they can wipe out most of China's nuke thru the sudden 1st strike, and they have their sea-based and land-based BMD to take care whatever left... or they have such belief that their nuke is so much superior thus China will ever be intimidated by escalation threat! Therefore it's imperative that China build the credible nuke that never can be ignored in any circumstance, maintaining credible MAD steadily through quantity and quality as well as the new tech such as the FOBS+HGV / IC-HGV, new ICBMs, more SSN & SSBNs...still awaiting some clue for the arrival of 095 & 096... and as some here pointed out, better have some redundancy than deficit in nuke stockpiles... need to remember that they are ganging up! This is an ugly world that China need to strive to maintain its well-being and existence! For most people they may never think that the old scenario of the 19th century may reappear again. Well, agree that this is a historical race that China can't afford to lose!

P.S. I wrote this even before I saw the piece by former Ambassador Cui Tiankai -- just read the first few lines telling myself that what I think about the threats is not a nonsense! NOTE: the demonization of China is facilitated by the virus outbreak in Wuhan! Most of the plebs in the West and several others like IND blame China as the bio culprit!
 
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AndrewS

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Thanks for the Turkish map! I just jump in after seeing many posts on Erdogan and his Great Ottoman reminiscence...

And first of all, in no way this post of mine is responding to you, this is about the general perception, responding to all relevant posts, thus no offence at all... I just use your post as a handler for the topic.

Standing from outside, viewing from remote, I just can't stop thinking like this... whatever Erdogan and his sultanate aspiration or simply some political play... as well as his supporters among Turkey-affiliated people may think about Turkey and the Great Ottoman ideals....

The hard facts today, Turkey has population of 86 million people (#17 in the world) with
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of 769,630 Km2 (#37).

It has GDP of about $720 billion in 2020,
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(#19, between Switzerland and Saudi Arabia). Industrialization level, manufacturing capability, science and technology level... well, all are far from the convincing levels.

Probably in relative to its nearby neighborhood, those smaller and weak countries sharing borders with Turkey, they may have fear and feel threatened by Erdogan's elastic, some are even ambitious, adventurous policies... but to say countries like Russia and China (with its westernmost region, Xinjiang) feel (rather) seriously threatened by Erdogan's Turkey, such notions are going too far, off the mark... producing own versions of whatever maps for own use may be good in serving some longing psyche (but with no adequate hard power to back it up... well, it's just some passing breeze). At most Ankara may be a nuisance, causing some inconvenience, but to effect some significant geopolitical threats towards Russia's or China's territories nowadays of whatever the Grander Turk/Ottoman Revival idea is simply too much exaggeration! At best Turkey is just a medium power, and surely not topping the ladder in that class. Too many talks, no play among major powers! Just a down to earth observation, no ridicule, no offence to any one! In agreement with others, Turkey may be more a challenging issue for Europe than for Russia or China... in the case of China, whether or not Turkey has true respect to its size and power, Turkey can hardly cause any serious problem incl. in Xinjiang, China today ain't China of 30 years ago!

Also remember that Turkey shares borders with Iran and also Saudi. Both are comparable to Turkey in terms of population and/or economic power.

Plus Turkey shares a border with the EU, which as an economic bloc has significant influence as it is much larger.

So yes, Turkey is just a medium sized country.
 

MixedReality

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They work in tandem to protect their hegemony. No exception when it comes to closing ranks and their geopolitical objectives.

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'Change through trade'. With other words they traded with China not only for the bucks but also with the exception that by trading we would adopt wholesale their preffered political and economical regime. The white mans burden had never left this world.


Time for China to make the German automobile industry suffer if they want to be hostile to China.
 

AndrewS

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Remember that a rejuvenated China = a rejuvenated global south .

To expand on this, a prosperous middle-class China would generate a lot more economic opportunities in the world, plus would be an expensive location due to high labour costs.

So we could expect factories and jobs to relocate from China to less developed countries. That would support global economic development and increase wages globally.


At the same time, greater Chinese R&D spending would advance technology forwards, particularly in leading edge renewable energy
 
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